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Question about gender issues in a story
What do you call a story where so far, all the conversations between the primary male characters have been about the primary female character?

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emavalexis From: emavalexis Date: September 2nd, 2008 03:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, hmmm... I don't know. The opposite of phallocentric? Heh. That is odd, though.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 2nd, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
It is odd. It came up in a discussion about a story when the writer suddenly realized that her male supporting lead's primary role to the male lead was to act as a shrink/shoulder to cry on for the lead's romantic misadventures.

The funny thing is that he has his own agency with the other female characters, even the female lead.

Edit: This was triple-posted. Apparently, LJ is as confused as we are!

Edited at 2008-09-02 04:26 pm (UTC)
queenmidalah From: queenmidalah Date: September 2nd, 2008 06:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Is the lead female either a borderline Mary-Sue or technically the main character of the entire novel? I have found that the primary character is brought up often in books because they are either a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu, or the writer doesn't want us to forget that it is the primary character.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 2nd, 2008 07:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
She is the protagonist i.e. its her actions that move the story forward. She is also, in my estimation, sharing the main character role with the lead male because the story is a romance between them.

The conversations between 2 men is actually part of the plot i.e. the secondary character distrusts the heroine but can't tell the hero why and whenever he gets a chance, he's trying to warn off the hero without giving too much away.

And he doesn't talk about her or only her with other female characters.

What do you think?
queenmidalah From: queenmidalah Date: September 2nd, 2008 07:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hrm. Is the male lead the one bringing her up to the secondary character? Otherwise, it sounds like the secondary character is being extremely underutilized in the grand scheme of the story beyond being a plot device to be the ear to bend for the male lead's love woes and distrustful of the heroine.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 2nd, 2008 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well in the 4 conversations so far:

1, the conversation begins in media res so it's not clear who brought her up.

2, the hero brings her up

3, the supporting male character brings her up

4, a tertiary character brings her up and the two men carry on the conversation.

What do you think?
fialleril From: fialleril Date: September 3rd, 2008 03:30 am (UTC) (Link)
A FAIL on the reverse Bechdel test?

Also, something I might almost want to read? Though in one of the comments you say it's a romance, and I'm always rather iffy about those. :P
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 3rd, 2008 12:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
*g* It is a romance, although like any good story, it's about other things as well but yes, the primary genre is romance.

I'm not sure it failing the Bechdel test is any good though... A balance is the ideal, isn't it?
fialleril From: fialleril Date: September 4th, 2008 02:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Well... Balance is the ideal, yes. But sometimes, when you've seen so much unbalance in one direction and nothing at all in the other...sometimes, you can't help but want to see a little unbalance in the other direction. If that makes sense.
laariii From: laariii Date: September 3rd, 2008 10:11 am (UTC) (Link)
That would be the autobiography of one of my classmates.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 3rd, 2008 12:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
lol! Who is the classmate - the heroine, the hero or the supporting character?
laariii From: laariii Date: September 4th, 2008 10:58 am (UTC) (Link)
The Classmate, lets call her Lee, is the heroine. She is probably the most self absorbed person i have met.She talks almost constantly and almost always about herself. She always has some fellow chasing after her until they can't take it anymore.

Shes not intentionally mean or selfish, shes just a bit messed up.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 4th, 2008 12:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
Poor girl. She's not much like the heroine of this story though.
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