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The Horse & His Boy: Chapter 5

More on Edmund: I love the fact that it’s not even stated that the young King is a bad-ass hunk of a man, it’s just implied that he must be. The way he goes all stealth and “now we must be secret” certainly made 13-year-old me squeal. Boy did I want to know more about this guy. And it turned out that there were 3 books about him as a kid. Win-win for everybody!

He totally calls the Tisroc’s plan – that the marriage proposal was the first stage in an elaborate scheme to have an excuse to invade Narnia. If this had happened, it would have made Susan the Helen of Narnia, won’t it? Hers was the face for which a thousand ships (or two hundred horsemen) were launched. And just like the lady of Troy, Susan would only have been the pawn in a war staged for economic and political reasons that had nothing – or very little – to do with her own person.

I wonder if Peter or Lucy would have seen so easily through the Tisroc’s plans. The way Edmund puts it; it’s not clear if he’s the only one who wasn’t taken in by Rabadash’s great deeds in Narnia or if the other Royals also had misgivings they chose not to share with Susan. By the way, this is foreshadowing towards Susan’s eventual ‘turn’, isn’t it, that here her vanity has affected her judgment?

Edmund would prefer to flee than die fighting. What a smart man. Another story would have called him a Slytherin a.k.a. evil for not choosing to pointlessly die when there was a far smarter way to save his sister and hopefully, avoid a World War.

But he’s boy enough to want a sea chase. The Splendour Hyacinth! I miss that ship! One thing I’m looking forward to in this movie is a glimpse of that ship. I don’t think she was ever ‘seen’ in the Chronicles, just talked about.

“True, true, friend,” said Edmund, “but is the desert a sure defense?”


No matter how I read it, it’s quite obvious that Lewis has Edmund ask this question purely for Shasta’s benefit. I mean, after the sparrow goes in a lot, detailed explanation of the Oasis Pass, Edmund then shuts him down and tells him that talking about battle strategies now is a waste of time. Clearly, Lewis ran out of ideas of how best to pass the information along to Shasta. :p

Dwarf Snark Alert!

"The only difficulty is how to get down to our ship-with some stores, too-without being seen and stopped."

"Yes," said a Dwarf dryly. "Just as the beggar's only difficulty about riding is that he has no horse."


Heh.

Lewis writes good political intrigue. Of course, how difficult can political intrigue be to write, I ask myself cynically, when it all boils down to greed, power-hunger and xenophobia? Human (or should I say Sentient) nature is exactly the same as it was thousands of years ago and apparently, exactly the same as it is thousands of fantasy-galaxies away.

Kudos to the Lewis for a logical explanation as to why it was geographically impossible for Calormen to have invaded Narnia.


Nice continuity: I distinctly remember the moles’ planting the orchard was referred to again in Prince Corin.

Shasta wanting to blame Aravis for his deciding to go along with the Narnians is quickly shot down by Lewis’ dry narrator’s voice reminding us that traveling by sea is far better than toiling across the desert.

No love to Shasta for hoping Prince Corin remained stranded in Tashbaan. (Although that would be a brilliant AU, won’t it? Especially if Corin joins up with Aravis and ends up fulfilling Cor’s prophecy while Cor was found out to be a coward and now needed a new journey to redeem himself). Lots of love to Lewis for letting his hero be a selfish little brat with only the crudest set of morals and is still following the fundamental lesson he learnt from his ‘father’ – always look out for Number One. Very few stories allow the heroes to go on ethical journeys. Very few writers will permit their darlings to start out as less than perfect.

(Another plot bunny: That thought he has about the Narnians selling Aravis as a slave makes me want to read a story where Anradin bought Shasta and gives him to Aravis as a gift in order to curry favor from the Tarkeena).

Corin’s entrance is remarkably appropriate, isn’t it? It’s no coincidence that we first see Corin Thunder-Fist’s knuckles before we see the man – boy – himself?

“… a beastly joke about Queen Susan …”


Evidence to popular opinion that C. S. Lewis is not a prude.

I can just imagine Corin’s conversation with the Watch: “Now that you fine gentlemen have put the stopper on my boxing spree, even though it was an unfair fight what with me being a wee lad and you being three, battle-hardened old sirs but no hard feelings, eh chaps? All in a good day’s work and all that so let’s all go have some drinks and you’ll tell me about your glory days…”

And, of course, Corin would find the original Susan slanderer (Corin/Susan shipper alert!) and knock him down on the principle of the thing.

If Corin’s story was told for the express purpose of making us readers fall in love with him then it did a damn fine job. :D

“The two boys were looking into each other’s faces and suddenly found that they were friends.”


Sweetness! (Of course, the film would probably have them fight each other at first sight just because Heaven forbid that two young men like each other at the spot.)

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thewhiteowl From: thewhiteowl Date: September 2nd, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
I do love Corin. He's great fun.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 2nd, 2008 05:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
He's adorable. The one Chronicles I'm really looking forward to seeing on the big screen is this one. Unless they cast twins, the actor that plays the two boys will have to be prodigously talented.
tuawahine From: tuawahine Date: September 14th, 2008 12:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
(Another plot bunny: That thought Corin has about the Narnians selling Aravis as a slave makes me want to read a story where Anradin bought Shasta and gives him to Aravis as a gift in order to curry favor from the Tarkeena).
You know what? I just might write that one day. It's a great idea, and there definitely is not enough Narnia slavefic!
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 14th, 2008 01:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
LOL! I'm glad you think so. I'm not inclined to write Narnia fic but if I were, it would definitely be fics based on this book. I'm always surprised at how little Aravis/Shasta fics there are out there. Perhaps the movie will change that...
tuawahine From: tuawahine Date: September 14th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh god, I so want them to make this one into a movie. *fingers crossed*
I've heard a lot of conflicting info on how many movies there will be, but I guess as long as they keep making money they won't stop.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 14th, 2008 01:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Disney/Walden Media has paid for the rights to all 7 books: it's a given that this iwll be made into a movie. :P

If any book will not be made into a movie, it will be the Last Battle because the producers won't be able to subvert/minimize the Christian undertones as much as they've been able to do for the first two movies.
tuawahine From: tuawahine Date: September 14th, 2008 02:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wohoo!
Thanks for the info!

And meh, who needs 'The Last Battle' when we can have 'The Horse and His Boy'? lol

By the way, I first read the book more than ten years ago, but somehow only fully realised this year that it's 'The Horse and His Boy'. I love the humour in the title. :D
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: September 16th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
*g* That was the first thing I noticed about the title. It made me lol when I read it. :D Lewisian humour is the best.

I have a soft spot for the Last Battle :P but I won't want to see Hollywood make a travesty out of it either. :P `
dreamflower02 From: dreamflower02 Date: October 23rd, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Are you familiar with yuletide? It runs an annual "obscure fandom" exchange each year. There was an adorable Shasta/Aravis fic posted this year: No Story But Our Own by miladygrey
dreamflower02 From: dreamflower02 Date: October 23rd, 2008 06:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Corin *is* so memorable in this chapter. It's not until I re-read the story that I discovered how little "screen time" he actually had. He's brought to such vivid life that he seems to take up more space than he actually does.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: October 24th, 2008 09:36 am (UTC) (Link)
Corin *is* so memorable in this chapter. It's not until I re-read the story that I discovered how little "screen time" he actually had. He's brought to such vivid life that he seems to take up more space than he actually does.

It’s amazing, isn’t it? He’s very much a larger than life character, literally dominating any scene that he’s in. It would have been very interesting if those two boys had grown up together. From a part-crack, part-serious psychological perspective, I wonder how much of Corin’s personality could be linked to him trying to compensate for his Lost Twin? Perhaps he needed to be two people to make up for the brother he’s been subconsciously missing all his life? (Going from the assumption that Corin did not know of the lost twin brother. Otherwise, perhaps he’d have guessed what Shasta was to him when they first met).

I think as a whole, Lewis has a talent for bringing his characters and story to life with an economy of words that is very impressive. One gets the impression that the story is much longer than it actually is (I remember how surprised I was at the slimness of the Narnia books when I started re-reading them. The stories feel so much longer.)
dreamflower02 From: dreamflower02 Date: October 24th, 2008 10:03 am (UTC) (Link)
I think as a whole, Lewis has a talent for bringing his characters and story to life with an economy of words that is very impressive. One gets the impression that the story is much longer than it actually is (I remember how surprised I was at the slimness of the Narnia books when I started re-reading them. The stories feel so much longer.)

I know. They do give the impression of being longer. I was surprised myself by how quickly I re-read Out of the Silent Planet a few weeks ago. I especially remember thinking that the section on the flight to Malacandra was a much longer passage than it really was! And I also thought that there were more details of Ransom's time among the various Malacandran peoples.

But Lewis did have a great knack for characters as well. It's something he and JRRT had in common--to be able to bring even minor characters to life very vividly, even if they were not destined to fill a larger role.

I think this had to do with both of them believing very strongly in the worth of individuals *as* individuals. To them, no person, even fictional ones, were merely "disposable".
jump2narnia From: jump2narnia Date: February 28th, 2009 03:28 am (UTC) (Link)
Edmund is one badass hunk of beefcake! >:3

I wonder if Peter or Lucy would have seen so easily through the Tisroc’s plans.

Oooo, very interesting. One thing I didn't like this book was it's lack of Lucy! D: Oh well...that kid already has nearly 3 of the Narnia books centered around her. xD

By the way, this is foreshadowing towards Susan’s eventual ‘turn’, isn’t it, that here her vanity has affected her judgment?

*sniff* I still never understood why Susan couldn't have gone to the final Narnia in the end? ;.; I know, I know, it's 'cause she never really learned from her mistakes or didn't have enough "faith" and all that, but still...so sad. We never know what happens to her. T_T

Edmund would prefer to flee than die fighting. What a smart man.

ROFL! Agreed! >:3

But...you didn't mention my beloved Mr. Tumnus? D: Poo on you! *pokes you to death* Tumnus is sooo made of awesome. xD

(Of course, the film would probably have them fight each other at first sight just because Heaven forbid that two young men like each other at the spot.)

Ugh...like Disney did with Peter and Caspian. >.< Or...High King Peter the Arrogant and Prince Poor-Little-Screentime Caspian. =(

moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 28th, 2009 02:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Edmund is one badass hunk of beefcake! >:3

Truer words have never been spoke. :P


One thing I didn't like this book was it's lack of Lucy! D: Oh well...that kid already has nearly 3 of the Narnia books centered around her. xD

*g* I read this right after Magician's Nephew so I hadn't even met the Pevensies at the time. But I can imagine how jarring it must have been for someone who had been following Lucy and her sibs for three books - four if you count Eustace as part-Pevensie.


*sniff* I still never understood why Susan couldn't have gone to the final Narnia in the end?

Well technically they all died at the end, didn't they, so I don't think Susan not going to Narnia is necessarily a bad thing. ;) But no, we don't know what happened to her and I like to think that she found her way to God and Heaven eventually. I never got the impression that CSL was damning her the first time I read the book and I still don't get that impression now.


But...you didn't mention my beloved Mr. Tumnus? D: Poo on you! *pokes you to death*

Ow! Ow! Ow! OK, I promise to mention him lots next time he appears, OK? *begs*


Or...High King Peter the Arrogant and Prince Poor-Little-Screentime Caspian. =(

Little screen time, huh? What a pity. Especially since he dominated all the posters. :P
jump2narnia From: jump2narnia Date: March 1st, 2009 12:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Truer words have never been spoke. :P

*ish proud of herself* =^_^=

*g* I read this right after Magician's Nephew so I hadn't even met the Pevensies at the time. But I can imagine how jarring it must have been for someone who had been following Lucy and her sibs for three books - four if you count Eustace as part-Pevensie.

Hehe, well I read the books in chronological order, so it made sense to me at the time. ^^ I just like complaining about lack of Lucy 'cause she's my favorite character. 8D

Well technically they all died at the end, didn't they, so I don't think Susan not going to Narnia is necessarily a bad thing. ;) But no, we don't know what happened to her and I like to think that she found her way to God and Heaven eventually. I never got the impression that CSL was damning her the first time I read the book and I still don't get that impression now.

But...but....D: akjfdkfjlkaflkd *kills Susan* Mission accomplished! >:D

Ow! Ow! Ow! OK, I promise to mention him lots next time he appears, OK? *begs*

WIN! 8D ♥

Little screen time, huh? What a pity. Especially since he dominated all the posters. :P

*gasp* You haven't seen PC? D: Shame shame shame. ;D I saw it twice in theaters and got the Blu-Ray -shot-


moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 1st, 2009 11:06 am (UTC) (Link)
giggles at your icon. :P

But...but....D: akjfdkfjlkaflkd *kills Susan* Mission accomplished! >:D

LOL! Poor Susan. Everyone wants her dead. ;)

*gasp* You haven't seen PC?

And I say it with PRIDE! :P


jump2narnia From: jump2narnia Date: March 1st, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
LOL! Poor Susan. Everyone wants her dead. ;)
Indeed, eh? ;D

And I say it with PRIDE! :P
But...but you have icons from the movie. D: Did you boycott it or something? D: *gasp* It was YOUR fault PC didn't make that much money. *sobs* How could you? ;.; ^.~
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 3rd, 2009 09:07 am (UTC) (Link)
I didn’t boycott the movie! I really didn’t have an opportunity to watch it. But I won’t have watched it if I had been able to. I knew I won’t enjoy it – I could already tell from the trailers that they had ruined the spirit of the book yet again.

But in my cynical opinion, I think PC tanked because it was marketed as a summer movie and came out in the same summer as The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Seriously, what were the Disney people smoking? Marketed as a family/children/Christmas movie, nothing could have topped Narnia. What would have taken its thunder? Quantum of Solace? Twilight? Valykrie? Stupid, greedy Disney.
jump2narnia From: jump2narnia Date: March 4th, 2009 05:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
Aww, well PC was a LOT more accurate to the spirit of the book than LWW. Please watch it! I'm begging you! D: I mean, yes it was action-packed but it was also a lot darker than LWW. I think they captured the theme of returning to Narnia really well. Oh, and when they're in Aslan's How...well...you'll have to watch it to find out. ^^

And yes, I agree...PC could've kicked Twilight's sparkly ass in the box office. >.>
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 4th, 2009 06:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
That's the thing - I don't consider PC as darker than LWW. In LWW, Aslan died!

But I promise I'll watch it ---- when it comes out on cable.


And yes, I agree...PC could've kicked Twilight's sparkly ass in the box office. >.>

WORD!

ETA: I did eventually watch it on cable. These are my thoughts... they haven't changed much. :P.

Edited at 2009-07-20 02:16 pm (UTC)
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