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The One Jedi She Could Trust
Please could someone tell me how the Hell M Stover got the idea that Obi-Wan was the 'one Jedi' that Padme felt she could tell about the Rebel alliance plot? In the DVD deleted scene, not only was it very clear when watching the scene that she was thinking about Anakin, George Lucas himself said in the intro to the scene that she was referring to Anakin.

I mean, please, Obi-love is one thing, but distorting the story entirely so that it revolves around your favourite character? Grrrr...


On a happier note, guess who's watching the Titanic DVD right this moment! ~!

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ladyaeryn From: ladyaeryn Date: November 9th, 2005 05:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah, I'd forgotten that was out! Must go pick up a copy. (Titanic's long been a guilty pleasure of mine - the whole sprawling doomed romance epic thing is unlike me, I know. ;))

I suppose Stover could've been operating under the line of thought that she wanted to entrust Obi-Wan with the Rebellion stuff because she knew Anakin's closeness to Palpatine and didn't want to put him in a more awkward position with that knowledge - but if he's really writing it as 'the one Jedi' she could trust? Erm, no. I'm glad GL shot that nonsense down with the DVD commentary. And even without the commentary, I'd be more inclined to think it was Anakin being referred to anyway - the frustration and despair on her face? Don't tell me that's from being told she has to keep secrets from Obi-Wan. We know it's not that hard for her to keep stuff from him.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: November 9th, 2005 06:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sure thing. I didn't need GL's comment to tell me it was Anakin she was talking about. I mean - wtf did Stover get the idea that Padme had anykind of relationship/strong feeling for Obi-Wan. **shakes head in confusion**

Better get that DVD before it's sold out! I got the last copy in my story! :D
ladyaeryn From: ladyaeryn Date: November 9th, 2005 06:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think a lot of places have been selling out - I didn't even see a copy at my local Wal-Mart. I'll have to try again.

I'm not sorry I never bought the novelization - some of the excerpts I saw were OK, but what I've heard since then definitely hasn't endeared me. TPM will always be by far the best of the PT novelizations (hell, of the entire series overall, really). To this day I've never even read the entire AotC novel, nor do I plan to.

At C3, I attended Stover's talk and actually had high hopes, because he admitted to things like GL going over the novel line by line and editing out the ideas that didn't mesh with canon (like this extended metaphor about Anakin's relationship to the Force GL thought gave the wrong idea)... but then I see bits like this and I wonder. If GL himself is clearly saying it was Anakin she was referring to, WTF didn't he cut out this nonsense about Obi-Wan?

(Some of it I can't blame Stover for, though: the Othello crap, for instance, was still in the drafts he was working with, and didn't know it was going to be - properly - axed, and taking that out does change a fair bit of how he might have interpreted Anakin's character and his relationship with Padme.)
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: November 9th, 2005 06:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
I read an excerpt of Stover's novelization before it came out and was so appalled at the crappy writing that there was no way I was going to buy it, read it, or give it any sort of credence.

I, too, have the Titanic DVD - it's lovely, and James Cameron once again turned in an excellent commentary (even though he refused to divulge whether Rose really died at the end or not). It's mind-boggling to think of how much work on every level went into the shoot.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: November 9th, 2005 06:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I read an excerpt of Stover's novelization before it came out and was so appalled at the crappy writing that there was no way I was going to buy it, read it, or give it any sort of credence.

You are so lucky that you saved yourself from that poisoning. I still have nightmares about Anakin mauling Padme seconds before she tells him she's pregnant. I mean - please!!

Re:Titanic. Hey hey hey! Don't spoil me! I'm saving the DVD for the weekend. :p
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: November 9th, 2005 07:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's not so much even what Stover wrote as how he wrote it. UGHHHH. He got paid for that?!?!

Hee! My lipz is zipped!
vanimy From: vanimy Date: November 9th, 2005 10:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh yes, I heard about the GL comment. I'm so glad it's been shot down. Take that, Stover. It was so wrong in every way to have Padmé think she trusted a stranger more than her own husband. I too had great hopes about GL going over the book which makes me wonder how much crap Stover wrote since GL removed some of it. :o

I know I still have nightmares over Anakin wanting to crush Padmé like an insect or something. And his turn and his cruelty when he discovers Obi-Wan was on board... *shudders* The "let's shake you for no reason whatsoever" bit was even less traumatizing IMO.

Heh, and Titanic. *raises hand* I have a guilty pleasure for it too. It's hard to say it now because Titanic has become so corny in the public opinion when once it was considered as the best movie ever and so on. *sighs* On a side note so James Cameron doesn't reveal whether Rose dies or not in the end... Mmmh. The corny romantic in me likes to think she does. It's the only way I coped out with it after seeing the movie for the first time. :P
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: November 18th, 2005 08:28 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm almost positive that Rose died in the end, "an old, old lady, warm in her bed", as Jack predicted. And everything else he had said came true.

Pity about public opinion. I still think Titanic is one of the best, if not the best movie ever made. James Cameron's commentary in the DVD really showed how much love he had for the movie, how much of himself he had invested in the characters, in the whole film - making Jack's sketches, personally shooting some scenes...

And he's a really talented writer as well as director, isn't he? I still can't believe that a man wrote that Corsette scene: "Of course it's not fair. We're women. Our choices are never easy."! Talk about getting in touch with your feminine side. *g* And it's clear that although he put a lot of his personal experiences in Jack - living in Alaska, being an artist - it's Rose that's his favourite character.
vanimy From: vanimy Date: November 30th, 2005 10:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
I completely agree on Rose dying at the end. It's the only way I cope out at the end, sappy as I am. :P No matter what you might think of the love story plot, the movie is really well-done, the sinking, the whole historic aspects and so on, it's all really good. It's one of those rare 3h movies you can bear watching. I never get bored whenever I watch it. I can't watch LOTR for instance. *gags*

Whenever I rewatch Totanic, I'm always reminded of why I loved it so much in the first place. Yes, even when my crush on DiCaprio died down. (Bear with me, I was 13 at that time... :P)

Cameron likes his heroins strong and capable, doesn't he? I mean, look at every film he's made, there's always a strong woman in it, which is why I was happily surprised the first time I watched Terminator. I couldn't believe the hero was a woman... ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: December 1st, 2005 06:22 am (UTC) (Link)
*Everyone* crushed on DiCaprio then - that's why he's so unpopular now, he was completely unattainable then. *g* I think the love story was perfect.

Cameron likes his heroins strong and capable, doesn't he? I mean, look at every film he's made, there's always a strong woman in it, which is why I was happily surprised the first time I watched Terminator. I couldn't believe the hero was a woman... ;)

I think Rose and Sarah are essentially the same people and the two films - Titanic and Terminator - are essentially the same story. Long, complicated theory about this...
vanimy From: vanimy Date: December 6th, 2005 01:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, the love story was great. But I'm still hesitating whether buying this new Titanic edition or not. I already have it on DVD, albeit without the bonus material.

Rose and Sarah? The same story? That's interesting... Go ahead, I'd like to hear about that theory. ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: December 22nd, 2005 08:16 am (UTC) (Link)

Strange parallels between 2 Cameron movies

Sorry it's taken me like forever to get round to this. :p

Rose = Sarah, right? I'll show you:

Enter stage left: Young heroine whose present is uncomplicated, conventional and unattractive - one is the fiancee of a Boston millionaire, the other is a college undergrad/part-time waitress.

Enter stage right: A hulking monster (and also the title character of the movie) determined to destroy young heroine.

Enter stage left: Young hero who is: in love with young heroine; determined to show her that her future holds possibilities that surpass her present drab existence; sworn to protect her from hulking monster/title character...

During the course of film, heroine evolves, finds inner strength, reciprocates hero's love, has one moment of passion with him that she will remember all her life...

Last Act: Hero dies. Heroine saves herself from monster. Goes on to embrace her new unconventional future, heartbroken but strong and undaunted because of strength she gained from hero.




Heroine - Rose/Sarah
Hulking monster/title character - Titanic/Terminator
Hero - Jack/Reese
vanimy From: vanimy Date: December 26th, 2005 05:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Strange parallels between 2 Cameron movies

Oh right. I never considered the Titanic to be the equivalent or Terminator. And it's true that all the story elements are alike. The main difference is probably Saral expecting Reese's kid and Rose not being pregnant. I suppose Cameron thought it would be too obvious otherwise. ;)
From: a_p_ Date: November 17th, 2005 04:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

When I heard GL's comment, I celebrated like a crazy person. Yes, take THAT Stover, and thank you George for being so wonderfully clear on that point. Boy, was I happy with the DVD on this point -- not even a hint of the Othello crap in the deleted scenes, even the petition presenting one, clarification that Padme's NOT putting Obi-Wan over Anakin in any way, and Lucas in the commentary saying more than once that he removed all hints of the Othello nonsense because it was overkill and wasn't necessary. Good times all around as that particular ill-conceived subplot dies an ignoble death. Ha!


I'm still scarred by the AOTC novelization, which might still be the worst-written professionally authored and published book I've had the misfortune to read. The ROTS novel at least was better written than that, but I know that's not saying much (but really, one more reference to Vaapaad or one of those character things -- "this is what it's like to be Obi-Wan Kenobi" and I might have murdered someone). My real problem with ROTS is that the book wind up being so far from the movie in so many different ways...that didn't happen with the other five novelizations, and I'm surprised they let it happen with this one. I did read the book before seeing the movie and wasn't terribly happy...but it turned out that in every single way that the movie was different from the book, the movie was 100 times better for it. Some of this is not Stover's fault in terms of what Lucas decided to cut out of the film when, but some of it is (the way certain things are written and the approach to certain characters is just off). So I can't enjoy the book. I haven't re-read it at all and don't plan to.

TPM is BY FAR the best prequel novel. And as far as I'm concerned, both TPM and ROTJ are miles ahead of the other four (though ANH and TESB are better than AOTC and ROTS).



And Titanic is one of my favorite movies EVER. I sooooo need to get the new DVD!

moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: November 18th, 2005 06:31 am (UTC) (Link)
Amen to that, sister. I know Lucas changed somethings in the script he originally gave Stove but that's no reason for the 'Shrine to Obi-Wan'
that I found myself reading. Talk about gagging me with a spoon!

I really need to get round to TPM. It's been highly recommended by a lot of intelligent people. :D


And re: Titanic, Whatever you do, don't get in England. **grrr** for some strange, unfathomable reason, none of the deleted scenes are in the 'Special Edition' only in the 'Deluxe Collector's Edition'. what's up with having the 2 in the first place? **grrr**

From: a_p_ Date: November 18th, 2005 06:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

I really need to get round to TPM. It's been highly recommended by a lot of intelligent people. :D

It's quite good! If you've only read ROTS (or AOTC), it'll definitely be a breath of fresh air.


That's awful about the deleted scenes! I'm dying to see what's in the alternate ending...
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: November 19th, 2005 01:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, tell me about it. Ah well, I knew it was too good to be true.... A titanic DVD *with* deleted scenes. but I still enjoyed the DVD if only for Cameron's commentary. He really loved that film. You could tell.

The alternate ending is ok but I won't get too excited about it. *wink*
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