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Snape/Lily
Big question mark floating in my head at this moment. Fan fiction is one thing but I've becoming across more and more speculations after HBP that Snape was in love with Lily Evans. I've never got any indication from any of JKR's books that this shipping ever existed. The only time she writes an interaction between this pseudo-couple, Lily's 2secs close to giggling at the sight of Snape's underwear, and Snape's calling her a Mudblood for rescuing him.

So what gives with the canon!Snape/Lily speculations?

On a related note, are Lily's green eyes still significant in this series?

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foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: November 30th, 2005 05:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have no idea where the "Snape loved Lily!" theory came from (I wasn't even aware it was a theory up until very recently). It's certainly not something stated or alluded to in the books. It's probably, like 90% of everything else in this fandom, wishful thinking on the part of the fans.

When were Lily's green eyes significant?? ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: December 1st, 2005 05:56 am (UTC) (Link)
When were Lily's green eyes significant?? ;)
Good point there. :D
selenak From: selenak Date: November 30th, 2005 05:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think the biggest argument for this speculation is that Snape (in the present day action) never leaves out an opportunity to be sarcastic or disparaging about James (or Sirius, or any of the Marauders), but hasn't said a word about Lily. Not one word. After HBB, you can, if you like, add what Dumbledore said about Snape being shocked when he found out which couple Voldemort decided to go against, and how this has a deciding impact on him. Harry, and later Remus, said in return that Snape hated JAMES, which Dumbledore doesn't refute. Against, the not-mention of Lily can be intepreted as suspicious. (I.e. Snape whould have had no problem with James dying, but if he had at one point loved Lily, then of course that would have made a tremendous difference.)

Lasty, the speculation is fed by various interviewers having suggested this to JKR and by her reaction which was always "can't comment", as opposed to "no way" which is what she said about a great many a speculated 'ship (like Neville/Luna, or Remus/Lily).

My own take? It's possible, but I don't think you need unrequited love on Snape's part to explain him.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: December 1st, 2005 06:00 am (UTC) (Link)
It's possible, but I don't think you need unrequited love on Snape's part to explain him.

Nuff said. To make everyone's motivation be due to the presence or absence of love is a little unnecessary. I also think it's ooc that Snape who had the same half-blood complex as Voldemort would fall for a muggle-born witch - ([snark]but of course Lily was probably the Ginny of her time and inspired love in everyone - muggle, wizard and beast alike. :p [/snark])

Good point there about JK being cryptic. Although she was initially cryptic about H/Hr speculations so it's hard to know if that's significant...
vanimy From: vanimy Date: November 30th, 2005 10:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Exactly, I guess the Snape/Lily theory comes from Snape's hatred for James and not a word about Lily and there's the whole love-hate aspect that started, based on Ootp. Lily helped Snape and then, we don't know what happened in their last year at Hogwarts. Who knows? Maybe she was nice to him at some point...

HBP only reinforced this IMO. I personally discovered the Snape/Lily ship with the fandom but Snape is so mysterious, ambiguous, I think fans like the idea he has a vulnerable side.

As for Lily's eyes, I hope we're going to learn more about that, as we need to learn more about Snape's past or the Marauders' past. I was so sure it would play out in HBP. Bugger.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: December 1st, 2005 06:09 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure that JKR has any more new characters, pasts, connections, to introduce in Book 7. According to the rules of mystery writing, there comes a point where the clues end and the deduction begins. Of course she can turn around and say she's been dropping anvil sized hints about Snape/Lily all since book 1. :p
To be honest I never really got a Lily/Snape love/hate thing in ootp, more of a Lily/James love-hate thing. It looked like Lily defended Snape not so much because she liked him (she found the sight of his underwear funny enough) but because she disliked James. And Snape didn't even feel perfunctorily grateful...
vanimy From: vanimy Date: December 6th, 2005 01:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure that JKR has any more new characters, pasts, connections, to introduce in Book 7.

But, *pouts*, I want to see James/Lily connecting and if what was said in the POA movie about Lupin and Lily was true and you might never know about Snape/Lily. She took some time to develop Tonks/Remus in HBP. ;)

I felt Lily was defending Snape more for the principle than because she disliked James. I think she stood up because what James did was wrong, a little a la Hermione. And yes, there is this love/hate thing going on between James and Lily but I thought Snape's reaction was perfect. He didn't want to thank her but it doesn't mean he didn't appreciate it deep down. Bleh. I'm rambling on that ship now? :P
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: December 6th, 2005 04:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
She took some time to develop Tonks/Remus in HBP...

Well, they were a present time relationship; plus, she needed to settle the Ship Wars on that front once and for all. :p

You're right about Lily sticking up for Snape because of the principle of thing (a la Hermione). I also think she did because (in JKR's weird romantic logic), that was her way of showing she fancied James. (Don't stare at *me*! That's what she said to Whatshername that interviewed her when asked about Lily liking James; JKR replied: 'you're a woman, what do you think?') !!!

With all due respect to Ms Rowling, I think her concept of women is a little wacked.


To be fair, if Lily was anything like Ginny, half of Hogwarts and probably a good number of the other half, were in love with her. So Snape falling for her won't be too out of character. :p
vanimy From: vanimy Date: December 26th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
You're right about Lily sticking up for Snape because of the principle of thing (a la Hermione). I also think she did because (in JKR's weird romantic logic), that was her way of showing she fancied James. (Don't stare at *me*! That's what she said to Whatshername that interviewed her when asked about Lily liking James; JKR replied: 'you're a woman, what do you think?') !!!

ROTFL! I have to admit I stopped and re-read the sentence with a blank look on my face before seeing the explanation. LOL It's completely stupid. I mean, you fancy someone, so you humiliate him in front of everyone just to show that you fancy- All right, it doesn't make any sense. But it's the same logic with R/Hr you might say. Ron humiliates Hermione, never does anything to be with Hermione, never says a good thing to her and she's madly in love with him, and all the times she disses him and can't stand him or his immature ways, she's just showing to him how much she-

Yeah... Right.

To be fair, if Lily was anything like Ginny, half of Hogwarts and probably a good number of the other half, were in love with her. So Snape falling for her won't be too out of character. :p

LOLLL! So you see, there's ground for Snape/Lily. :P Lily was probably like Ginny anyway because she's Harry's mom and so she's perfect and everyone loved her and James had to fight to be able to date her.

Seriously, does JKR really think Ginny is a good role model for girls? *eyeroll*
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: December 27th, 2005 12:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
Seriously, does JKR really think Ginny is a good role model for girls? *eyeroll*

The scary thing is that I think she really does. *shudders*
vanimy From: vanimy Date: January 2nd, 2006 08:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
The future generation is doomed, I'm telling you. :P
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 5th, 2006 04:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
lol!
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