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Legend Ladies OOC? My thoughts. - moonspinner
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Legend Ladies OOC? My thoughts.

I really liked this episode! And I know it's not very nice but I'm also really enjoying how much the fandom doesn't like the new Seeker guy. Considering how often fandom vitriol is directed at the new female regular/guest star and how many fans expected to hate Cara in Season 2, it's amusing how much fans now love Cara and are now hating on Leo.

However, I've come across a few complaints of the OOC-ness of the ladies in this episode. Specifically, the complaints have been:
1, Kahlan crying over missing Richard in front of Cara (was OOC)
2, Cara giggling over Leo's jokes about the chipmunk (was OOC).

Well, I beg to differ. Firstly, I don't buy the theory that a kick-ass woman (or man, for that matter) can't ever have an emotional moment. There's no difference between that and the other harmful stereotype of women who are always emotional/wearing their hearts on their sleeve. And if the accusation is that Kahlan won't have broken down in front of Cara, I think it's an obvious and natural progression of their relationship. They have become BFFs even if they haven't come right out and declared as much.

As for Cara giggling and generally opening up to Leo "too fast", I don't read that either. Remember, the Kahlan/Cara/Zedd/Leo group are running on a faster timeline than Richard so that scene actually happened weeks, maybe even a month after their first meeting. Also, this isn't the Cara of 1x22 or 2x01 who was little more than a lethal killing machine. This is the Cara who has been trying to imitate not!Mord Sith behavior from the very moment she joined up with the Gang: recall the "I am so sorry for your loss" moment with Finch? For several months now, she has not only been hanging around Richard, Kahlan and Zedd, she has been deliberately trying to learn how these people interact with each other. She's thawed. Plus, there is this impression that Cara is a lot more rigid than the show actually portrays her as: remember this is the Mord-Sith that went from trying to kill the Seeker to helping him bring down her Lord Rahl in days.

My 2 cents.

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ovariesofsteel From: ovariesofsteel Date: January 24th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
For me, the Cara issue depends on if I'm talking about book Cara or show Cara. Book Cara-no way she laughs so soon, and no way she doesn't laugh for the firs time with Richard. Show Cara...well, still slightly ooc, but wth cares? lol

As for Kahlan...no version of Kahlan is that ooc.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 24th, 2010 08:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
I haven't read TG's books but I do remember reading somewhere that Kahlan in first book was actually more teary than Bridget Regan's portrayal...?
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moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 24th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
I really hope that we don't have to choose between both - at least not right away. Leo can be like a good!Faith to Richard's Buffy: turning up now and then to help his friends kick ass. Speaking of which, when is Chase going to show up?
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dannyblue From: dannyblue Date: January 24th, 2010 07:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree on all of this. Watching the episode, I specifically remember loving the fact that Kahlan, who can kick ass with the best of them, isn't afraid to show her emotions. Too often on TV, women who are strong are portrayed as being almost afraid to show emotion. Like, if they do, it will diminish their strength somehow.

Well, baloney. I love it that Kahlan doesn't fall into that stereotype. That she isn't afraid to cry, or show grief, or be open about the fact that she loves Richard. And that she proves that being able to show your emotions doesn't equal being weak.

Go, Kahlan! :D

I also love seeing Cara opening up.Being a kick ass Mord'Sith is cool and all. But I thought the Mord'Sith being so cold and emotionless wasn't considered a good thing. The fact that Cara's emotions are blossoming is pretty cool to me. I don't see why she can't enjoy life while also kicking ass.

As for the Leo hate, I haven't seen a whole lot (either here at LJ, or at other discussion boards). Mostly, people seem unsure about him. (They don't hate him, but haven't seen enough of him to really like him yet.) A few already like him. A handful dislike him, often because he's not Richard more than anything else.

Anyway, great post.
philstar22 From: philstar22 Date: January 24th, 2010 07:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree on all of this. Watching the episode, I specifically remember loving the fact that Kahlan, who can kick ass with the best of them, isn't afraid to show her emotions. Too often on TV, women who are strong are portrayed as being almost afraid to show emotion. Like, if they do, it will diminish their strength somehow.

My experience has been the exact opposite. Women on tv are always emotional. Even characters where it would be OOC for always have moments of emotionalism. It is male characters who are not emotional and who are portrayed as stronger. When a male character is suffering or goes through something bad, most of the time they don't have that moment of crying on someone's shoulder or needing someone to lean on. Female characters almost always do. They almost always can't handle emotional trauma/pain as well as male characters can. I'm not saying that emotions make you weak, because they don't. I'd just like to see more male characters showing emotion and more female characters handling their emotions and pain without needing someone else (usually a man) to lean on.

That said, I don't think a moment of emotion is OOC for Kahlan, given all she's been through and all the pressure she's under all the time.
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halfabubble From: halfabubble Date: January 24th, 2010 07:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think Kahlan crying was OOC at all. We see her being sad all the time, and in the books she's always emo about Richard.

As for Cara, I think people are just really abashed by her giggling, but if you think about it, she'd already come a long way even before that since her attitude in like 2x01.
If she's been around this bloke for like a month now, it doesn't seem that bad. It's just cos how the episode was edited and wrote, we never saw any of that time where she got to know him. Same for why people are saying she's too close to Cara too quickly, more time has passed than we realize.

I don't know, maybe I just love this show too much to be able to properly bash it and I'm making excuses.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 24th, 2010 08:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
in the books she's always emo about Richard

That was the impression I got as well: that Bridget Regan played Kahlan far tougher than she was written.

I think the time-line certainly makes it look like everything has been rushed relationship-wise. But we already saw Kahlan/Cara camaraderie in the earlier episodes. Specifically, we've seen Cara deliberately imitating Kahlan's non-Mord Sith emotional behavior and Kahlan trying to teach her things about sympathy and hope.

I don't know, maybe I just love this show too much to be able to properly bash it and I'm making excuses.

LOL! I'm not above bashing the shows I love. But 2x9 really didn't give me any cause to.
sarabones From: sarabones Date: January 24th, 2010 08:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Agree with every word :)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 24th, 2010 08:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks! LOL @ the icon!
shlupquack From: shlupquack Date: January 24th, 2010 10:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yay for positivity! *hi5*
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 24th, 2010 10:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
giggles at icon! Yah back! :D
timeblind From: timeblind Date: January 25th, 2010 12:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I totally agree. I had nothing against Kahlan crying, especially since it wasn't like she was like "Oh, Cara. I miss Richard." She wandered off while they were resting and had a moment to herself but Cara just happened along (probably curious why Kahlan was staring at the Sword).

And Kahlan and Cara might not be Sisters of the Agiel yet or anything, but they're getting along and Kahlan understands what Cara went through with her Mord'sith training. I think the problem is that the show doesn't show their similarities all that well; both Mord'Sith and Confessors are feared in D'Hara and the Midlands. That probably led to a lonely life, especially in the present day what with Cara's sisters abandoning her and Kahlan being the only Confessor still alive. They're not emotionless robots (well, Cara might've been...) so I don't see why they're not allowed to cry or laugh. o_o

Bridget has definitely played Kahlan waaaay tougher... at least emotionally... Richard is Kahlan's first love, and we all know how much of an emotional rollercoaster ride that is! Kahlan's so innocent... it's a wonder why she isn't more emo on the show. XD
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 25th, 2010 05:37 am (UTC) (Link)
She wandered off while they were resting and had a moment to herself but Cara just happened along (probably curious why Kahlan was staring at the Sword).


Oh, good point! Most people seem to jump to the conclusion that Kahlan burst into tears or something in front of Cara, when it was more like Cara walking in on Kahlan's private moment. Rather than show a tough face, Kahlan went into Mother Confessor mode and used that moment to teach Kahlan about non-Mord-Sith feelings.

I think the problem is that the show doesn't show their similarities all that well; both Mord'Sith and Confessors are feared in D'Hara and the Midlands. That probably led to a lonely life, especially in the present day what with Cara's sisters abandoning her and Kahlan being the only Confessor still alive.

I really hope the show plays that up more because it's really one of the things I was looking forward to when I heard Cara was joining the group in Season 2.

Kahlan's so innocent... it's a wonder why she isn't more emo on the show. XD

LOL! Between the Seeker being her true but unattainable love and losing her sister (twice) and being the last Confessor and being abused as a child... it's a great wonder indeed!
valhallalilly From: valhallalilly Date: January 25th, 2010 12:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Is interjecting and hoping I haven't missed something similar to what I'm adding.

I just found this in Faith of the Fallen and it fits perfectly imo if you haven't read the book...then yeah

Kahlan knew that the Mord-Sith's emotions had to be as torn as her own, balancing on a knife's edge with despair and grief on one side and rage on the other. Mord-Sith were not used to being in such a position, but then, Cara was now more than simply Mord-Sith.

I actually loved Cara laughing. Maybe she wouldn't have been so open with him if he was new like that but also I think it shows that she is relaxing a bit (bad explanation sorry) Also he likes her and she likes him so I'm gonna let it slide, not that it even bothered me at all.

Kahlan crying; and in front of Cara. Um yeah I LOVED This too. Indeed in the books and the first one she cries a lot and again many times she cries in front of Cara, I think it's just showing their relationship forming as it should be.

You can really see both of these supposedly ooc character traits extremely well in FOTF actually. Kahlan is very open with her and Cara is very much hard Mord-Sith and in her way caring.

So not very good at explaining myself but for realz i LOVED both of these scenes hard and wasn't bothered at all! :D
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 25th, 2010 05:40 am (UTC) (Link)
I love the fact that the source material backs this up. In addition to this, I think it's a natural progression from what the show has given us so far. As said in your quote, Cara is now more than Mord-Sith. She hasn't been truly one since she: a, betrayed Lord Rahl; b, turned against her own sisters; and c, realized that the Mord Sith title that she was so proud of being "chosen" for was a horrible trick that made her kill her father.

Thanks for the comment!
speckleberry From: speckleberry Date: January 25th, 2010 12:42 am (UTC) (Link)
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I've been working on a recap/review all night (basically just me being a douche with pictures and random thoughts about th episode) but I didn't believe that Kahlan or Cara were out of character at all. I liked the scene with Kahlan crying over the sword, I liked Cara's reaction to it. I liked that it showed that yes, Kahlan is a woman with emotions and she can cry over missing Richard but then she'll stand up and be strong in the length of a breath. She shows her weaknesses, that's part of why she's the Mother Confessor and those weaknesses (or lack there of, in my opinion) make her powerful. I thought this moment was another lesson in Cara's growth, really. It opened a door to what was to come later in the episode with Leo.

Cara needed to see that, to understand Kahlan, so that she could open up to Leo. If that makes sense?

And sure, Cara was out of character giggling, if you want her to stay exactly the same and never grow as a character!
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 25th, 2010 05:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I liked that it showed that yes, Kahlan is a woman with emotions and she can cry over missing Richard but then she'll stand up and be strong in the length of a breath. She shows her weaknesses, that's part of why she's the Mother Confessor and those weaknesses (or lack there of, in my opinion) make her powerful. I thought this moment was another lesson in Cara's growth, really. It opened a door to what was to come later in the episode with Leo.

Precisely. When I want to watch emotionless robot girls, I watch reruns of Cameron in Sarah Connor Chronicles. Kahlan and Cara are living breathing persons and shoehorning them into a one-dimensional personality doesn't really make sense, imo.

And sure, Cara was out of character giggling, if you want her to stay exactly the same and never grow as a character!

THIS.
karie22 From: karie22 Date: January 25th, 2010 01:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Agreed. In fact, I said pretty much the exact same thing earlier today on another thread.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 25th, 2010 05:22 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks! Glad to know that so many people share the same opinion. I was a bit nervous posting this which was why I linked it to my LJ rather than posted on the comm.
silentwilight From: silentwilight Date: January 25th, 2010 02:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Great reading your thoughts :)
At first I didnt like Leo at all but he was growing on me. I'm pretty easy when it comes to this show so even if someone's behavior makes me raise my eyebrows I find some reason to "get it" LOL.
But I think the fact that time went by that we didnt get to see would help explain Cara's behavior esp. She's spending a lot of time with Kahlan and then more time than we saw getting to know Leo.
I'm excited to see what happens next week with all of them :)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 25th, 2010 05:25 am (UTC) (Link)
At first I didnt like Leo at all but he was growing on me. I'm pretty easy when it comes to this show so even if someone's behavior makes me raise my eyebrows I find some reason to "get it" LOL.

LOL! There is a lot to fanwank in LOTS, I admit. For one thing, isn't is weird how the next Seeker just walked into their camp when Kahlan had to cross 2 boundaries to get the Book of Counted Shadows to the "first Seeker in a thousand years!"?? If only she had known to look closer home... :P

I'm excited to see what happens next week with all of them :)

So am I! The previews look exciting. :D
sunlit_music From: sunlit_music Date: January 25th, 2010 09:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't watch Legends of the Seeker. But yeah, kick arse people should be allowed to act emotional at times! Nothing wrong with that.

I'm not saying that emotions make you weak, because they don't. I'd just like to see more male characters showing emotion and more female characters handling their emotions and pain without needing someone else (usually a man) to lean on.

THIS. Phank you, Philstar! :D

sunlit_music From: sunlit_music Date: January 25th, 2010 09:55 am (UTC) (Link)
Phank you, Philstar! :D

Whoops, I meant to say thank you. >_
lemomina From: lemomina Date: January 25th, 2010 05:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for this post ! I was reading lots of negative recaps about the episode and i didn't get why >__<

moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: January 26th, 2010 11:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh well, I don't begrudge anyone the contrary opinion but I just felt like typing out why I didn't agree with it.
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