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Terminator et al
::waves at a_p::

Yeah Sarah/John. That's not the worst thing I've seen in fandom. :p Besides does every '/' have to be '/'? ::giggles:: Guess that answers the question.

I adore Kyle Reese's character in the Terminator. I think he's the archetype of the Knight in shining armour that lays down his life for his lady.

What's your favourite terminator movie?

p.s. I checked the pictures were from leia_. And tech_noir is a community. You can find the link in my profile.

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From: a_p_ Date: July 21st, 2005 04:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
::waves back::


Yeah, I'm sure fandom has all types of crazy things. ;) :O


I LOVE Kyle. His devotion to Sarah is very moving...she's the only thing of beauty in his difficult and hard and ugly life in the future. No wonder he was in love with her before he met her.


My favorite is Terminator 2 -- that's up there for my all-time favorite movies period. I think it's an amazing movie and sequel, and I find Sarah and John's characters pretty fascinating. The dynamic of the three mains (the Connors and Arnold's Terminator) is particularly interesting. And the T-1000 is one of the great villians ever, I think.

Which is your favorite? The first one? :)


(Speaking of Kyle -- his deleted dream sequence with Sarah in T2...man, do I wish that had been left in the film from the get-go. I love it.)


I'll check out tech_noir. :)
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: July 21st, 2005 07:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
T2 without a doubt. Like a_p_, it's one of my favorite movies, period, and it's one of the greatest sequels ever.

If you haven't already listened to it, I highly recommend the DVD commentary on the Extreme Edition. It's James Cameron and co-writer William Wisher, and it's just interesting from start to finish, with everything from on-set trivia, to writing/story development, to lighting, effects, and other technical considerations.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 22nd, 2005 06:27 am (UTC) (Link)
What are the deleted scenes in T2? I know the list in T1... I think I saw the jacket once. I'm always more interested in deleted scenes than anything. That's why I loved the LotR extended DVDs so much.
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: July 22nd, 2005 06:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Off the top of my head....

- Sarah's dream where's she's talking to Reese while she's still in the psycho ward
- John stopping Sarah from smashing the T-1000's chip when they're repairing him in the garage
- T-1000 discovering that Woofy's name is really Max by looking at the dog's name tag
- various shots of the T-1000 malfunctioning at the factory (e.g., he partially takes on the shape of whatever he touches)
- Terminator practicing smiling while in Mexico

There are others, but most of the deleted scenes are small and ultimately unnecessary to the narrative (although interesting). Cameron says he stands by the theatrical cut, and I would agree with that.
From: a_p_ Date: July 21st, 2005 07:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hey, foodsthatcan! :)

I've listened to that commentary, and you're right, it is great. Entertaining and insightful, which all DVD commentaries should be. I wore that DVD out when I first bought it!


moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 22nd, 2005 06:26 am (UTC) (Link)
You wore the DVD out? ::giggles:: is that even like possible? ;)

I LOVE Kyle. His devotion to Sarah is very moving...she's the only thing of beauty in his difficult and hard and ugly life in the future. No wonder he was in love with her before he met her.

Oh yes. And the motel scene is like Wow whenever I watch it - no matter how many times. Not the latter part :p. I mean the scene when he gives her that speech about how he went back in time for her and how he had always loved her. When he gets up, you can see he's mentally kicking himself for what he thought was making a fool of himself in front of the most wonderful creature to have ever lived. And then when she gets up, and kisses him... ::faints:: He's so shocked. It's like he's telling himself, 'this is a dream, this can't be happening'. And then she gets confused and starts pulling back and then he...

::swoons::

Which is your favorite? The first one? :)

Pretty obvious, huh? ::blushes:: But I adored John Connor in T2.

I've never watched any of the Terminator DVDs. More is the pity. So Kyle was in T2? Cool!
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: July 22nd, 2005 06:52 am (UTC) (Link)
I wish more director's commentaries were as good as James Cameron's. Then again, I wish more directors were as good as James Cameron, period. He gets so much flack for Titanic, but he's incredibly talented and, imo, unparalleled in large-scale, blow-'em-up movies.
From: a_p_ Date: July 24th, 2005 10:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't want to focus too much on this, but is it safe to assume that none of us are big Terminator 3 fans?
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 25th, 2005 08:53 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm not! And I say it with no shame!
From: a_p_ Date: July 25th, 2005 07:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
I couldn't stand what they did to John and Sarah's characters. :( And even though I expected wholesale shredding of T2 (the fact that there simply was a third movie at all completely negated the T2 ending)...I somehow wasn't prepared for the complete and total rebuke of "The future is not set. There is not fate by what we make for ourselves." I mean, "Judgement Day is inevitable"?!?! Bah! Throw in the fact that it also wasn't as well done as the other two (lots of plot holes, not as great a villian, it's almost impossible to top the effects/stunts of the second one, etc.) and forget it.

And I feel a combination of terror and horror everytime I hear any mention of a T4 (without Arnold!). **shudders**
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: July 27th, 2005 03:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I've only seen T3 once, which I guess means I'm not a big fan, but I thought that as an action movie T3 was okay. Prior to seeing T3, I was extremely anti-T3, couldn't think of another story worth telling with the Terminator, but after seeing it, I can't hate too much. Jonathan Mostow had huge shoes to fill, and he did a better job of it than a lot of the hacks out there might have. The thing about Terminator, though, is that he's James Cameron's. Terminator without James Cameron is just another action movie. To me, T3 plays like fanfic or EU: some interesting ideas, but it's not authentic.
From: a_p_ Date: July 25th, 2005 08:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Let's talk a little John Connor (in T2)...

I love the scene where John is telling the Terminator all about his life (right before he decides to go get his mom). This conversation -- along with the later talk at Enrique's -- shows just how devastating it was for John when his mother was arrested, and he was told she was just crazy. I think the best thing Sarah ever did for John was to make that kind of life (where there are Terminators and nuclear war and John has to figure everything out) absolutely normal to him, to the point that he never realized that other people didn't live that way at all. I get the feeling that John is finally back at ease when the Terminators show up...once the initial shock fades way, John's back to place where everything makes sense again, he doesn't have to be angry at or ashamed of his mother, and he now knows what he needs to do. It makes him clearheaded and focused, and we get to see him in his element.

I find John's absolute moral clarity impressive almost to the point of astonishing. Considering his age and his upbringing, the fact that he's the moral center of their little family unit (doing his best to keep the Terminator and his mother in check, particularly when they disagree with him) is quite something. And it creates an interesting dynamic, since he definitely looks to both of them as parents, but he's the most level-headed and responsible one of the three of them.

John sort of strikes me as what Kyle might have been had he grown up before the war. At least, John reminds me more of Kyle than of Sarah in terms of his personality.

Ignoring both T3 and the alternate T2 ending, I always wondered what became of John (and Sarah) in a warless future. I think John would have very little or no desire to return to a "normal" life (which he couldn't do with Sarah around anyway, I don't think), but he's smart enough to know that he can't live his life just to become leader of the Human Resistance any more. What does he do?

The young John Connor is quite a complex and well-drawn character.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 26th, 2005 07:33 am (UTC) (Link)
The young John Connor is quite a complex and well-drawn character.

Which is one of the reasons why I am not the biggest T3 fan. John at 12 is such a powerful character - you can already see the seeds of greatness in him. In fact, forget seeds, he's already the great general, only he's not yet legal. :p The character in T3... lacks that. Kate Brewster's character is more spunky - one of the reasons why she comes across as Mary Sueish to me.


John sort of strikes me as what Kyle might have been had he grown up before the war. At least, John reminds me more of Kyle than of Sarah in terms of his personality.

I know what you mean. And it actually makes sense in a weird way. John Connor (old) was Kyle's mentor and probable surrogate father. Kyle clearly idolized the man and looked up to him, and possibly took after his personality to a large extent. John is like Kyle because Kyle is like John.

In a sense, it was essential for Kyle to die, wasn't it?
From: a_p_ Date: August 2nd, 2005 03:14 pm (UTC) (Link)

Just for general discussion -- What do you think Sarah and John did after the events of T2 (completely disregarding Senator!John and HappyOldWoman!Sarah from the alternate ending and Wuss!John and Dead!Sarah from T3)?

moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: August 6th, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hello a_p! I'm sorry I've been on vacation for a week and I'm just popping in and popping out.
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