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Lipsticks and Nylons! - moonspinner
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Lipsticks and Nylons!
Susan didn't get left out of Heaven because her sin was 'Growing Up' or 'Sexual Maturity' or even entirely due to 'Vanity'.

She chose to stay out of Narnia and subsequently Heaven because she stopped believing in Narnia and Even Worse - Aslan.

She wasn't Punished for Growing Up and Finding Sex as Mrs Rowling so artlessly puts it. Susan Decided to Stop Believing in Narnia and Aslan and Had No More Interest in it. She wasn't Denied an invitation. She Tore it up.

Why, oh, why does a 30 year old mother of 2 have such a problem Grasping something I understood as a 13 year old teen?!

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From: galadhir Date: March 19th, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I never found it hard to understand that Susan was left out of Narnia because she chose to tell herself that 'all that stuff is for children', like the Black Dwarves who chose to convince themselves that Heaven was a miserable little stable. What I always had difficulty understanding was *how* she could convince herself it wasn't true, when she'd been there and tasted that it was good.

But JK Rowling and other people's reaction makes it easier for me to believe that Susan could also have been that confused and deluded, and that desperate to be 'very grown up' and look sophisticated. It's sad that the point gets so flagrantly missed by so many people! It really is a kind of blindness, like the Black Dwarves'.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 20th, 2007 06:15 am (UTC) (Link)
But JK Rowling and other people's reaction makes it easier for me to believe that Susan could also have been that confused and deluded, and that desperate to be 'very grown up' and look sophisticated.


LOL! Well said. Really. It happens every day. People posing popular opinions that are *supposedly* grown-up and sophisticated in order to appear grown-up and sophisticated. It's a sort of herd mentality that you see a lot in secondary schools, and where a lot of adolescents all struggling to 'belong' are gathered together. . Pity it doesn't stop there. Pity some people never truly 'grow up'.
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: March 19th, 2007 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've never understood why this is such a tough or foreign concept for people. LN, did you have a tussle with someone over this?
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 20th, 2007 06:16 am (UTC) (Link)
LN, did you have a tussle with someone over this?

Sort of. I was chatting with someone over the newest Book 7 and told the person how my opinion about Rowling had been going down hill from the compulsive lying then reached rock bottom over that remark.
fialleril From: fialleril Date: March 20th, 2007 03:51 am (UTC) (Link)
It shouldn't be difficult for anyone to understand. It was explicitly stated, for crying out loud! *rolls eyes*

Yet another good reason why the world of my mind remains happily oblivious to J.K. Rowling. ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 20th, 2007 06:18 am (UTC) (Link)
Well it seems obvious to us... but either some people read the book in a language they didn't really understand or they read a very abridged version. *rolls eyes as well*

Yet another good reason why the world of my mind remains happily oblivious to J.K. Rowling. ;)

How I envy you!
fialleril From: fialleril Date: March 23rd, 2007 02:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've also heard it said that the White Witch was considered evil simply because she was a woman who had power.

Now, I'm all for feminist interpretation, but that's just ridiculous.

How I envy you!

I read the first HP book, said to myself, "Self, this is nothing but a poor knock-off of Narnia, LOTR, and a few other things. And besides, it's entirely too popular." And I have ignored HP and its author ever since. ;) I guess it's just my contrary nature. :D
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 23rd, 2007 03:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
LOL! I started reading HP before it became so popular so I was very happy that it did become so popular... but after a while, the way JKR handled things - the unnecessary lies to cover up plot goofs, the goading on of the shipping wars, etc. - really began to grate on my nerves. The final nail on the coffin was her attack on the Narnia books.

I've also heard it said that the White Witch was considered evil simply because she was a woman who had power.

*rolls eyes* So what's their explanation for there being 2 Kings and 2 Queens when there might as well have been just one High King Peter?
fialleril From: fialleril Date: March 25th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
HP didn't really hit America (or at least, rural middle America) until it was already wildly popular and all over the news... I suppose that probably put an automatic damper on things for me.

So what's their explanation for there being 2 Kings and 2 Queens when there might as well have been just one High King Peter?

Oh, well, the Witch is considered evil because she rules without a man at all. Can't have that. ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 26th, 2007 06:37 am (UTC) (Link)
HP didn't really hit America (or at least, rural middle America) until it was already wildly popular and all over the news... I suppose that probably put an automatic damper on things for me

Yeah, it probably would have for me to.


Oh, well, the Witch is considered evil because she rules without a man at all. Can't have that. ;)

What ever happened to Equal Opportunity? :P
knight_ander From: knight_ander Date: March 20th, 2007 05:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Lipsticks and Nylons???
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 20th, 2007 06:19 am (UTC) (Link)
Yep. Lewis' words which are always quoted out of context.
knight_ander From: knight_ander Date: March 20th, 2007 07:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm going to need a more detailed explanation than that to understand it.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 20th, 2007 09:57 pm (UTC) (Link)

Here there be spoilers...

In the last Narnia book, we find out that Susan has become an Itgirl who as well as being only interested in lipstick, nylons and invitation, has also declared several times that Narnia is/was not real and was just "a silly game" they played as children.

JK Rowling selectively misinterpreted that to conclude that Lewis punished Susan for Growing Up.
r0ck3tsci3ntist From: r0ck3tsci3ntist Date: March 20th, 2007 01:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Leave it to you leia, to stike right at the heart of the matter. Don't you realize being right will only piss people off? Silly girl! :p
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: March 20th, 2007 01:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
LOL!

Actually, for a change, it didn't piss my friend off. She went back to the Last Battle - I gladly loaned her my copy, and read the truth for herself. :P
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