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I finally watched Goblet of Fire. *ducks tomatoes* Yes, I know. It’s… - moonspinner
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I finally watched Goblet of Fire. *ducks tomatoes* Yes, I know. It’s only been over a year. :P But I didn’t get the chance to see it in theatre, I didn’t feel like renting it on DVD and it’s only just yesterday that it finally aired on Cable.

So what did I think?

I’m too lazy to write a properly coherent review so I’ll just list points at random.  This is not a conclusive list, mind.  Just the impressions that linger the strongest. 



Good.

Dan, Emma and Rupert can too act.

Nice follow up from PoA in capturing the ‘feel’ of boarding school/teen spirit – the cheering when people put their names in the Cup, the Dancing classes, Hermione and Ginny perking up when Cedric turned up in the beginning…

Neville shone in his scenes, and almost stole the show in a lot of them.

Lots of fine acting from the older cast – Severus Snape, Dumbledore, Barty Crouch, Igor Whathisname. Loved all the accents – Crouch, Igor…

The Yule Ball was lovely. Beautiful costumes. Hermione’s little wave as she took Viktor’s arm was just perfect.

Lots of pretty people in this one – Cedric Diggory (almost too pretty to be a boy), Cho Chang, both twins…

Great special effects: the Pensieve, the Drumstrang ship rising from the water (the Flying Drumsmen, anyone? :P), The Graveyard…

Voldemort. Snake face. Slit nose. Worst nightmare come to life. Perfect.

The Graveyard scene was almost-excellent (see why ‘almost’ below) – the ‘resurrection’, Crucio, the duel, Priori Incantem…

The post-Graveyard scene with Harry returning to fanfare was even better.






Bad.

Apparently, Azkaban never realized that they were missing a prisoner.

The screenplay was like a series of disconnected snapshots. One moment the Irish and Bulgarian teams are doing their opening parades. Wham! The next moment, they’re celebrating Ireland’s win. Wham! The next moment, they’re running away from Death Eaters. Wham! The next moment, they’re in Hogwarts, watching the flying horses of Beauxbatoms… Wham!

Durmstrang was an all-boys school and Beauxbatoms was an all-veela school. Apparently, they’re no witches in Russia and no wizards in France.

The First Task was a big yawn. I kept rolling my eyes through the Dragon thing. I mean, I really thought Harry was going to die, you know. And what happened to ‘Accio!’ and his problems with Summoning Charms? No emotional build-up. No pay off. Special effects can only enhance a good emotional build-up/pay-off, not substitute one.

Polyjuice! Mad Eye was so obviously a Bad Guy, they might as well have placed the Mark of Cain on his head.

What was up with Barty’s tongue thing?

They could have cut the Rita Skeeter sub-plot out of the story and no one would have missed it.

Hermione crying at the end of the ball? WTF? (Excuse my French.)

The ‘almost’ in ‘almost-perfect’ of the graveyard scene –
A, The scythe thing that held Harry in the graveyard. Couldn’t he have just wiggled free? Jack Sparrow got out of irons for crying out loud.
B, The Death Eaters are such an intimidating number, don't you think? /sarcastic.
C, No emotional build-up of Harry’s problems with Accio, hence no pay off with his using his summoning spell to get the Cup. The book’s take on Harry running for dear life after Priori Incantem was far more exciting.

Dumbledore's speech at the end should not have been changed.  The original was flawless.  The imitation was flat.







Neither.

Ginny had all of one line. And putting her beside Hermione only made her look like a tag-along. Book 5 is going to have do a lot of work to sell her as a movie! love interest in Book 6, especially with Harry getting another love interest in Cho.

Talking about shipping, they'd have to try really hard in subsequent movies to downplay Emma and Dan's chemistry.

Movie!Ron has grown on me. I didn’t even flinch at the ‘Harry Potter’s stupid friend’ comment.

I thought Parvati and Patil were identical?

Prisoner of Azkaban is still Number One.

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queenmidalah From: queenmidalah Date: April 23rd, 2007 12:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Durmstrang was an all-boys school and Beauxbatoms was an all-veela school. Apparently, they’re no witches in Russia and no wizards in France.

I'm guessing they have other schools too? Cause it was like that in the book too. It appears that Hogwarts is the only co-ed school.

I thought Parvati and Patil were identical?

Yes they are, but what bugged ME more about that is the fact that they put the Patil twins BOTH in Gryffindor! Parvati was the Gryffindor and Padma was in Ravenclaw and they changed that. Grr.

Oh the other change that bugged me? The color of Hermione's dress only because Emma's favorite color is pink. The dress was supposed to be blue.

I do agree with you on Ginny and how she was relegated to sidekick. And they didn't play up the only 4th years and up going to the dance so the significance of her being at the Yule Ball with Neville was a pain.

The Rita Skeeter stuff should've been nixed since they didn't deal with the fact that she was an animangus and that's how she was finding out information and Hermione finally catching her in her buggy state.

And it is bugging me more and more that Draco's getting nixed out of a lot of stuff, especially since they now need to catch up since he has an important role in Book 6.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 23rd, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh good, someone wasn't totally 'so last year!' at my review. :P *waves*

I'm guessing they have other schools too? Cause it was like that in the book too. It appears that Hogwarts is the only co-ed school.

No, it was not. In the book, all three schools were co-ed and Fleur Delacour was the only quarter-veela in either of them. (Come to think of it, did the movie even mention that she was quarter-Veela?)


Yes they are, but what bugged ME more about that is the fact that they put the Patil twins BOTH in Gryffindor! Parvati was the Gryffindor and Padma was in Ravenclaw and they changed that. Grr.

I thought so! But I wasn't sure. I knew they were twins... The Ravenclaw thing didn't bug me too much though.


The color of Hermione's dress only because Emma's favorite color is pink. The dress was supposed to be blue.

I had completely forgotten that! Ah well, the point was that she looked exceptionally pretty and I think Emma pulled that off. The problem is that Emma!Hermione has been looking consistently gorgeous, if in an uncombed-hair way for the past 4 movies so the effect was pretty lost on me. :P


I do agree with you on Ginny and how she was relegated to sidekick. And they didn't play up the only 4th years and up going to the dance so the significance of her being at the Yule Ball with Neville was a pain.

If anything, she and Neville seem to have had a ball. Neville certainly looks like if he got 'lucky' when he returned to the dorm with his shoes around his neck. :D


The Rita Skeeter stuff should've been nixed since they didn't deal with the fact that she was an animangus and that's how she was finding out information and Hermione finally catching her in her buggy state.

I couldn't agree more.


And it is bugging me more and more that Draco's getting nixed out of a lot of stuff, especially since they now need to catch up since he has an important role in Book 6.

Well apart from inventing 'Potter Stinks' badges, he doesn't so that much in GoF does he? I think the ferret scene and the occasional jeering shots at the Tasks managed to establish that he was still a git, with a Death Eater father to boot?

queenmidalah From: queenmidalah Date: April 23rd, 2007 04:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
No, it was not. In the book, all three schools were co-ed and Fleur Delacour was the only quarter-veela in either of them. (Come to think of it, did the movie even mention that she was quarter-Veela?)

I'm going to have to go back and re-read the book then, cause I don't remember their being any females from Durmstrang mentioned. Or any guys from Beauxbaton. And you're right, they didn't bring up that Fleur was a quarter-veela. They didn't even do anything with veelas to explain them at the World Cup to explain what the heck they were.

Yeah that's the thing about what they did with Emma is that she IS a beautiful young woman and they didn't "ugly" her up at all and didn't have her have buck teeth. Which leads to draco:

Well apart from inventing 'Potter Stinks' badges, he doesn't so that much in GoF does he? I think the ferret scene and the occasional jeering shots at the Tasks managed to establish that he was still a git, with a Death Eater father to boot?

In the movie the ferret scene was caused by Draco just being a jerk to Harry. In the book, what led to him being turned into a ferret is because they started throwing hexes at each other in the hall and one of them hit Hermione and her teeth grew enormously even more than what they were. Snape was in that scene and had made a nasty remark to Hermione. The only reason her teeth were fixed is cause she had gone to Madame Pomfrey and fixed them ore than was necessary after that hex. Mad Eye Moody wanted to see if Draco liked the feeling of getting hit with a hex and humiliated as he'd done to Hermione and turned him into a ferret.

I do agree that Draco didn't do AS much in Book 4 as he'll do in Books 5 and 6, but he's been played down so much in all the movies that I am worried they'll play him down in the others and turn it onto someone else.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 23rd, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
You have every reason to be worried about Draco. After all they have Hermione some of Ron's lines while he was Right There! Still it night be hard for them to find another Eevel Student to almost kill D in 6.

I'd even forgotten about Hermione's teeth! LOL! The funny thing is that I remember watching Emma W in Movie 1 and Knowing they'll have a problem with her Duckling to Swan subplot in Book 3.
charmisjess From: charmisjess Date: April 23rd, 2007 05:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think I saw it originally once in theaters ages ago, but I only watched it again within the year. I think you're spot-on with your comments, I would only add...

Did you notice Sirius was downplayed too, as well as Draco? Draco I can almost see them downplaying (admittedly, JKR doesn't give him much in the way of character developement until the last book)--but Sirius surprised me. I mean, we had one badly animated face in a fire (which was totally not how I imagined that) and nothing else. I remember really liking his role in the book...this is the one where he was hiding in the caves and stuff outside Hogsmeade, and they had to visit him and bring him food and things, right? And considering they're gonna kill him off in the next movie, you would think they would play him up, especially since he's apparently such a popular character. Of course, as much as I adore crazy!Gary Oldman, that's not how I pictured Sirius at all...but still, you would think they'd be setting up for his role in the next one.

Yeah, it's like you said, this felt really choppy and rushed.

And you said you liked how Dumbledore was portrayed? *headtilt* I dunno--I *really* liked what they did with Snape--but I thought Dumbledore was too hasty, almost violent in some scenes. (Particularly when he's shaking Harry around after the Goblet spits out his name) I always picture Dumbledore very serene and in control. But I may be looking at only one angle of the character.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 24th, 2007 06:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Did you notice Sirius was downplayed too, as well as Draco?

Yeah, I noticed how Sirius was downplayed. And the fireplace scene was weird and wrong. The head is supposed to be in a fire-place not a fire-grate! I’m not sure I can hold that against the movie people since Rowling essentially did the same thing in Books 4 & 5 and abruptly killed him off at the end of it all. :P She also downplayed Lupin who went from being Harry’s first grown-up friend (not counting Hagrid who arguably has a lot of growing up to do) to Tonks’ love interest.


And you said you liked how Dumbledore was portrayed? *headtilt* I dunno--I *really* liked what they did with Snape--but I thought Dumbledore was too hasty, almost violent in some scenes. (Particularly when he's shaking Harry around after the Goblet spits out his name) I always picture Dumbledore very serene and in control. But I may be looking at only one angle of the character.

Yes, Dumbledore was rather a Dark! Dumbledore, wasn’t he? The only time I remember us ever really seeing the red of his eye in the book was when Frog Lady was shaking Marielle (?) in Book 5 in his office. (Funny how one forgets and remembers the oddest names).

However, I had long resigned myself to them never getting Dumbledore right in the movies. The late Richard Harris played him too old and too out-of-touch with reality. Michael Gambon played him too fierce. My ideal Dumbledore would be a lot like Ian McKellen’s Gandalf in the early scenes of ‘Fellowship’ when he’s teasing the Hobbit children and blowing smoke rings in the air.

And yet for the way Dumbledore was in the movie, I liked it. The movie!Dumbledore put on display a lot of the internal battles that book!Dumbledore faced in the later HP books – his fears about Voldemort, his misgivings and guilt about Harry… And I really enjoyed watching ‘Inner Circle’ – McGonogall, Snape & Moody(!) – scheming. Don’t know if that makes any sense!



knight_ander From: knight_ander Date: April 23rd, 2007 07:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
You can find my opinion of the movie here. I almost sound like I know what I'm talking about. :p
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 24th, 2007 07:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I just read it, very good synopsis. :)
foodsthatcan From: foodsthatcan Date: April 24th, 2007 09:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Michael Gambon has really grown on me as Dumbledore. It's a different character from the book, and from Richard Harris's portrayal, but Gambon brings an element of authority to the character that Harris never did. I like this fiercer Dumbledore; he's more believable as "the only wizard You-Know-Who feared." Harris always seemed too feeble.

I haven't read the book in ages, so I didn't feel that the movie left out anything crucial. I felt that it excised a lot of the "fat" that J.K. Rowling's writing has become increasingly prone to. I agree that the opening of the movie is very choppy and would really only make sense to people who have read the book, but I think all the Harry Potter movies have had the narrative problem of translating book to film.

I don't know how they're going to shoehorn Ginny in as a love interest in the sixth film, but I thought that book was a mess, anyhow, and it would be better for the movie to concentrate on the major plot than the Hogwarts, 90210 stuff. I do wonder why the movies keep focusing so much on Hermione and Harry, though, when canon clearly ends up the other way. I couldn't believe that the Goblet film made of point of showing Harry's dazzled reaction to Hermione at the Yule Ball, like he'd completely lost all powers of speech. Wrong guy, Mike Newell!
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 25th, 2007 08:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Exactly. He's not the Dumbledore of the books, yes, but in the movies, he works. I don't really ascribe to faithful copy-pasting of book to film. For one, it's not possible. For another, they are two different mediums and the result of a too faithful transference is not appealing at all. (re: Movies 1 & 2).

I haven't read the book in ages, so I didn't feel that the movie left out anything crucial.

The parts about Azkaban missing a prisoner was actually crucial. This was even more important as the movie set up Crouch Juniour as in league with Voldemort from the beginning. (In the book there's some doubt as to whether he was ever guilty, as well as the fact that he was supposed to have died in prison).


it would be better for the movie to concentrate on the major plot than the Hogwarts, 90210 stuff.

LOL! I agree entirely. As for the insistence of H/Hr (even the OotP trailer seems to point in this direction for the 5th movie), perhaps the movie producers are Delusional? *g*
From: bobill Date: April 27th, 2007 10:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hmm, it's been a while since I watched the movie/read the book but maybe I can give a decent reply...


Nice follow up from PoA in capturing the ‘feel’ of boarding school/teen spirit – the cheering when people put their names in the Cup, the Dancing classes, Hermione and Ginny perking up when Cedric turned up in the beginning…

Hehe, I may disagree there. I think they're getting a bit beyond the swooning age to still be making a big fuss over cute guys randomly walking by. But then again that's a pet peeve I have about most movies... Going through middle and high school, I never really found the kind of kids that swooned as much as the characters on TV.

Neville shone in his scenes, and almost stole the show in a lot of them.

Yeah, that pwned. :)


The screenplay was like a series of disconnected snapshots. One moment the Irish and Bulgarian teams are doing their opening parades. Wham! The next moment, they’re celebrating Ireland’s win. Wham! The next moment, they’re running away from Death Eaters. Wham! The next moment, they’re in Hogwarts, watching the flying horses of Beauxbatoms… Wham!


Totally thought my CD was broken, it was hopping so fast.

Durmstrang was an all-boys school and Beauxbatoms was an all-veela school. Apparently, they’re no witches in Russia and no wizards in France.

Agreed, but I'd say that's a weakness of the book and not of the movie. I actually thought the movie did a good job of making the best of that limitation... at least the veelas and durmstrang boys were convincing.


Hermione crying at the end of the ball? WTF? (Excuse my French.)

Haha, what are the french words? I agree though, that scene pissed me off.


I agree that the character and plot development is diminishing. It's getting really evident that JKR is just getting a bit tired of writing something where she already knows all the endings. You see it in fanfic writing all the time too... Two or three sequels and most authors either start posting crap or not at all. I don't know how JKR lasted so long with 7 books and knowing the entire plotline from the start and not just quitting, but she really is starting to information-dump. I gotta say that besides being unable to fit all the drama from the book into the movie, the film makers didn't do a horrible job with what they had to work with.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 28th, 2007 06:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually what I liked about the girls/Cedric scene was that there was no swooning. They just sort of raised their eyebrows at each other and smiled. Sort of like each female making sure the other was aware of the new arrival of male perfection. :)

What I meant about the schools comment was that they were Not singlesex schools in the book: hence my grievance. And Fleur was the only veela in the story. (Apart from her sister, too.) I don't know why the filmmakers made the change but it was stupid, imo!

I don't think character/plot diminished in *this* book - which I considered the last of the Golden HP age, before the dark times, before JKR discovered the Internet. Most of the plot goofs were things the filmmakers changed. Barty Jnr was not in the 1st scene and was supposed to be both dead and innocent.
vanimy From: vanimy Date: May 1st, 2007 09:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Fun to see this review now. :)

I think I agree on every point you made, dear. And I loled at some. That's exactly how I felt like. All I wanted was a decent graveyard scene and they didn't really screw it up. So the movie was good enough for me. ;) And yeah for Dan/Emma chemistry. They just can't fight the H/Hr thing creeping in every time. ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: June 1st, 2007 10:08 am (UTC) (Link)

Love the Icon.

Dan and Emma are delusional. *g*

Sorry for taking so long in replying this... *sad*
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