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Rediscovering Sherwood
Thanks to everyone that wrote in concerns. My cousins are fine. They were never in any actual danger but it was a bad scare. A scare that England is quickly forgetting... until the next scare. *tired*

Happier news: For a nice change, my DVDs arrived before the weekend. Hubby and I spent long hours, watching Desperate Housewives Season 2, and the re-watching old, old, ancient Robin of Sherwood. That show is so old that I can’t even attach ‘Seasons 1 and 2’ to it, even though that’s what the DVD claims. It seems so pretentious!


Gosh, memories do glamorize things, don’t they? Especially childhood memories. I actually understand SW fanboyz who rage/fume at Lucas better. I watched ANH as a thirteen year old and wondering what the big deal was. I used to think that the fanboyz were clearly delusional because --- hello! --- the OT has all the faults of the PT: cheesy dialogue? – check; gratuitous action over character development? – check. But after a few episode of Robin of Sherwood, I get them. Their memory of the OT as this immaculate work of art is… completely false. But they’d protect that memory rather than face the grim reality.


Not that I dislike any part of Star Wars. Far from it. Neither do I resent Robin of Sherwood for not being the masterpiece that I remembered it as. If anything, I really amused myself laughing over the dialogue (you want some bread with that cheese?), the deus ex machine ex herne of some of the stories, the stereotyping of the Normans and the anvil-sized subtle themes of the corruption of the Church and the State.


But so what if it’s not as wonderful as I remembered and I probably would not look twice at it if it were being premiered now? As a wise person once said, it doesn’t stop being magic just because you know how it works. Once I heard the familiar opening strings of ‘The Hooded Man’, I fell back in love. With the nobility and goodness of Robin of Loxley. With the beauty and gustiness of Marion (Oh praise the stars for a time when freckles and bushy hair were trademarks for beauty!) With the angsty snarkiness of Will Scarlet. With the sweetness of Little John. With the wild, magic freedom of Sherwood forest. With the cunning of the Sheriff and the gullible cruelty of Gisbon. With the mystery and sorcery of the Baron de Bellem, with Morgwn the Witch-Nun and power of the Swords of Wayland. With the haunting, achingly lovely Celtic soundtrack…


I’d probably rant more as I steadily go through all the episodes. (Hubby and I’ve only watched 2 discs). In the meanwhile, here're a few memorabe words:



[Robin to Marion's first meeting in Robin Hood and the Sorcerer]
Robin: "You are like a May morning."

[Robin persuading Marion to stay with him, even in the Winter in Robin Hood and the Sorcerer]
Robin: "I'd build a fire at the cave's mouth, wrap you in sheepskin, and hold you close."


Wow! He's worse than Anakin!!! :O


[The Witch of Elsdon]
Sheriff: "Soldiers have a habit of dying. It's an occupational hazard."

[Alan A Dale. Gisburne just asked the Sheriff to burn Wickham down and drive its villagers into the forest]
Sheriff:: "As an example of what? Hmm? I'll tell you, Gisburne, shall I? Since you are obviously incapable of answering my question. As an example of your stupidity! Those people are my property. The fields that they work are my fields. And your masterly plan is to drive them into the forest to join up with that wolfshead!


[Alan A Dale]
Sheriff: "Why on earth did I agree to be united in the unholy bounds of matrimony with a pansy-face sixteen year old virgin? That is - if she is still a virgin, of course. Do you think it is worth the money, Gisburne? Could it possibly be worth ten thousand marks?"..."Why don't you answer?"
Gisburne: "I assumed the question was rethorical, my lord."
Sheriff: "Never assume anything, Gisburne, except an occasional air of intelligence!"


[Alan A Dale, Gisburne had his men practice cheering the Sheriff at the wedding]
Sheriff: "Well, put them back in their little box or do something with them!"



The Sheriff always gets the best lines! *g*



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From: galadhir Date: July 3rd, 2007 03:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
England is not forgetting, we're just used to this kind of stuff. We've always had airport bombs and ferry bombs etc etc - you can't get too faffed about it or you wouldn't be able to function. This was a scare, which means that no one got hurt and the security services are doing their job well. If anything, it's reassuring.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 10:38 am (UTC) (Link)
I love your icon. Can I steal it? *g*

Oh, I definitely agree with what you said. Remember the IRA bombing? I guess it was just knee-jerk reaction because it hit so close to home.

To be honest, I prefer the statement in your icon to America's own state of Constant Panic!!!
From: galadhir Date: July 4th, 2007 05:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
*g* It's good, isn't it :) It's by txteva, and unfortunately has been coming in quite useful recently.

Heh, I'm afraid my reaction to that would be 'which of the IRA bombings do you mean?' The Troubles started again soon after I was born, and we were almost burned out of our house when I was an infant (we lived in N.Ireland then) because the neighbours thought we were Catholic. I don't remember a time when there weren't terrorist bombs. My sister was lucky enough to be across the street from one which went off in a post box and took the arm off the man walking past it. The centre of my university town was leveled by an IRA bomb, and those are just the incidents I've been personally connected to. There have been one or two most years that I can remember. It really is something you learn to live with.

I'm guessing the USA is just panicking because the novelty hasn't worn off yet ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 08:26 am (UTC) (Link)
My sister was lucky enough to be across the street from one which went off in a post box and took the arm off the man walking past it. The centre of my university town was leveled by an IRA bomb, and those are just the incidents I've been personally connected to.

Oh wow! My parents shipped my sister and I out of England a few months after the first of the 90s attack. Still, we've lived through some hairy situations even in Nigeria. There were bomb attacks in the mid-90s, riots in the late 90s, and the Niger Delta crisis that has now progressed to indiscriminate kidnapping of expatriates. I let myself tan a lot these days and I try to get home before dark but otherwise, I'm still living my life. I have to. *g*
From: galadhir Date: July 5th, 2007 10:18 am (UTC) (Link)
*g* Whereas I think it sounds terribly scary, living in Nigeria. I guess it really is all a matter of what you're used to :)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 12:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
He he. There are so many terror cultures, aren't there? *g* I love being human.
charmisjess From: charmisjess Date: July 3rd, 2007 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oof. I'm so glad everyone is okay. This whole business is so miserable.

You make some very good points about the blinding glaze of nostalgia. *g* Actually, all the good points! I shall try to remember that the people who start fights with me over the PT/OT are merely unable to let go of their idealic childhood memories. *nods*
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 10:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually, all the good points!

Thanks dear! It's always wise to put ourselves in the other person's boots. That way, we're less inclined to strangle them! :p
atanone From: atanone Date: July 3rd, 2007 04:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I LOVE(!!!!!!!♥♥♥♥♥!!!!!) Robin of Sherwood!!! and since i saw the series,I LOVE Clannad :) ;)
my favourite character is definitively Nasir and my favourite villain is the Sherif :)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 10:59 am (UTC) (Link)
You do! Yah! I knew we'd have tons in common. Do you have any icons? I'm making some as you can see but I'm not very good.

Nasir??? But he was so silent! *g*

atanone From: atanone Date: July 4th, 2007 02:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
*nods+grins*..silent and sexy..murdeous combination :)

I was after the series for years and now finaly I got them(downloaded,so in avi format)-the quality is as it is*sighs* but I'm thankful for having this at least :) of course I'll make icons :) I suppose they¨ll not be "popular",but I usualy do icons only for fun :)
As my English is not so good to understand everything right,I'm really pleased with your quotes :)-when they released it here it was in Czech and then i saw some parts in German-and that all years ago :)..gosh,the time runs like mad ;)
I love your icon :) she looks like a dream there :)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 02:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Aww, thank you! It's still a work-in-progress, though.

I'm glad my quotes were useful! Is there any scene/episode you'd want me to subtitle for you? It might take a while though.

I can't wait for your icons. *g*
atanone From: atanone Date: July 4th, 2007 02:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
it¨s always a work in progress,I think :)
my icons will take some time,too,for I want to make some animated,which means to take a lot of snapshots :)
Thanks for your offer :) if I find some,I'll tell you-but I think it's just a matter of time,if I'll watch them for more time,I'll get more.My english is "active" mostly about writing,lol:)
I love the"mystic" about this seria and the music of Clannad-esp.the "smoky voice" of Moya gives it such a wonderful touch!! I mostly don't watch the "modern" series,because they¨re or too funny or too educative,while this is "magical"
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
it¨s always a work in progress,I think :)

LOL! I know. I'm still editing an old potc icon I made sometime ago.

Animated icons? Squee!!!

I love the"mystic" about this seria and the music of Clannad-esp.the "smoky voice" of Moya gives it such a wonderful touch!! I mostly don't watch the "modern" series,because they¨re or too funny or too educative,while this is "magical"

Quoted for truth. Too many shows try to be 'smart' with sharp reparte dialogue (one can barely follow) and shocking tale twisters (done so frequently that nowadays a twist would be the absence of one).
atanone From: atanone Date: July 4th, 2007 08:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
well...you know..the series seem to me all the same somehow..They released Hercules here,Xena,Sindbad and who all knows what else..but you watch one and the other is almost the same,they're only dressed differently..It drives me mad when the middle age women in TV series speak educative about women's rights,lol..and I hate when they rewrite old legends and history :)..But Robin got under my skin :) or The Mists of Avalon,I just love the movie-and the books :)
I'm an amateur in iconing,you know..but still i think it¨s a creative fun and I don't count banners or whatever,some icons are dear to me because they're "prefect",but many just because they were made by a dear friend )
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 06:38 am (UTC) (Link)
I haven't watched/read Mists of Avalon. Apparently I'm missing a lot! *g*

An amateur in iconing?? Wow! I can only imagine how you'll be when you get really good. :)
atanone From: atanone Date: July 5th, 2007 07:25 am (UTC) (Link)
hahaaaa,you got me!!!,lol!!! well..I'm wondering myself where it will turn with my graphics :)-btw I think a really good picture is hard to spoil,lol:)
I bought the book-I mean "The Mists of Avalon"when I was in Germany in 1989,I spent ashamely lot of money for it,but i never regreted.Now the book(+ two another,they give a seria)was translated and released here,so I got them three in Czech,too.And-as a movie is mostly worse,than the original book,this one is wonderful.In most of Artusian movies and books Morgaine is an evil and greedy woman that desires power.Here she is the main character-a priestess of Avalon,who only wants to protect her world,her religion and her dears of christianity,because the christs don't respect any other religion.And she's tricked in a "game of fate",the destinies of the main characters,Morgaine,Lancelot,Guinnevere and Artus are all fair and honest,but whatever they do is affecting the other.I love the book..you can hardly find a real villain there,becuase each character ahs her or his reasons to do what they do,though it all heads in a tragedy
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 08:19 am (UTC) (Link)
LOL @ your icon.

Wow, 'Mists' definitely sounds interesting. I love, love, love stories with ambiguos characters - characters who are not entirely bad, but not entirely good. And I love stories where people's good intentions doom them.
atanone From: atanone Date: July 5th, 2007 09:21 am (UTC) (Link)
really? hehe,good :) I thought I was making the icons only for myself,lol:) you can have it,dear ;) rest is here http://atanone.livejournal.com/tag/Ars%C3%A9ne+Lupin

then i think you'll love the books..they are "The Priestess of Avalon","The lady of Avalon" and "The Mists of Avalon" :)..btw-most of the movie was taken in Czechia :)and there are many Czech actors in the crew or stunts
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 12:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
^As you can see, I'm already appropriating your icons. *g*

Thanks so much for this recommendations. I'm always looking for exciting new 'old' books.
atanone From: atanone Date: July 5th, 2007 01:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
thank you :) the only reason I make them is fun-and practising PS,so if someone finds them useful,I'm happy :)

In my flat I share the space with books,books,books,movies,CDs,books,movies,CDs and books..they need more space than I do,so sometimes I'm asking myself who owns my flat at all,lol:) I'm for history,some crimies,some classics,but most of my books-fictions,facts or whatever are about antic or middle ages :) so I'm a little "one way" :)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 01:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
LOL! I lived like that for a while after university. My family moved house and we never had a proper book case for my VOLUMES of novels. I think I lived most of that summer literally on a mountain of paper.
atanone From: atanone Date: July 5th, 2007 04:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love books and some I need to own,you know..just for the reason I wake up in themiddle of the night and I'd like to read some certain book ;)..the same about music and movies..I was for years after "Breaking the Waves" though I doubted I'd like to watch it again,but I wanted to own it just for the cause I would..it's a strong movie,provoking,hopegiving,hard,cruel and full of inner light..Some movies are goot to have at reach,lol:)
missizzy From: missizzy Date: July 3rd, 2007 04:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wow! He's worse than Anakin!!!
But he's played by Micheal Praed, which makes a lot of difference.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 11:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Nah! You've seen one cute boy, you've seen them all. *g*
missizzy From: missizzy Date: July 4th, 2007 01:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Except that this one also has the sexiest. voice. ever.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 03:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

*g* That icon is asking to be stolen.
missizzy From: missizzy Date: July 7th, 2007 05:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's by
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 9th, 2007 07:25 am (UTC) (Link)
by whom? Please, the suspense is killing me! :D
missizzy From: missizzy Date: July 9th, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
elenlilta. Sorry, the tag was acting up.
lesbiassparrow From: lesbiassparrow Date: July 3rd, 2007 05:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I bought the DVDs a while back and while I had forgotten some of the cheesiness and the 80s hair, still I really, really loved it. Even all the mad running through the woods. But, god, they did stick Michael Praed in some disturbingly tight leggings, didn't they?
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 11:00 am (UTC) (Link)
they did stick Michael Praed in some disturbingly tight leggings, didn't they?

*giggles* Was that a complaint?
in_excelsis_dea From: in_excelsis_dea Date: July 3rd, 2007 09:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've never seen the series, but I think that the quotes were amusing. Bad, but they made me laugh, so that's a good thing. *grins* I hear you on magic vs reality in terms of old television shows. The dialogue might suck, the action scenes might be a joke, but we watched the shows during good times and will always remember them as golden pieces of television (or the cinema, in the case of movies), simply because of that. Even if most people think we're out of our minds.

I'm glad that your cousins are all right.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 01:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
The dialogue might suck, the action scenes might be a joke, but we watched the shows during good times and will always remember them as golden pieces of television (or the cinema, in the case of movies), simply because of that.

QFT. :)
knight_ander From: knight_ander Date: July 4th, 2007 12:11 am (UTC) (Link)
The Sheriff always gets the best lines! *g*

"I'll cut your heart out with a spoon!"

Oh, wait, that's from a movie, not a television.

"Because it's dull, it'll hurt more!"

Oops, same movie. ;)

moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 11:04 am (UTC) (Link)
Uh-oh. That joke totally went over my head. :(
knight_ander From: knight_ander Date: July 4th, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sorry, that would be Alan Rickman as the Sheriff with the good lines in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves starring Kevin Costner as Robin Hood.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 08:28 am (UTC) (Link)
Okay, I get it. I only remember two things from Prince of Thieves: one scene where Marion spies nakkid!Kevin Hood bathing in the waterfall and drools. Then another scene where the Sherrif tries to wed and consunmate said marriage to Marion at the same time.
knight_ander From: knight_ander Date: July 6th, 2007 01:14 am (UTC) (Link)
I know I should have a witty-comback here, but I'll just let you use your imagination instead. ;)
laariii From: laariii Date: July 4th, 2007 12:29 am (UTC) (Link)
did you ever watch " maid marian & her merry men?"
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 12:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
No... How was it?
laariii From: laariii Date: July 5th, 2007 12:27 am (UTC) (Link)
very silly but funny. It had Tony Robinson in it & the guy who plays the Cat in Red Dwarf. Maid Marion is the main hero, Robin Hood is a bit useless & sir guy is a fop.
Lots of singing.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 5th, 2007 06:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Even though I love the idea of a girl leading a group of guys, I'm not sure I would have liked a useless Robin.
fialleril From: fialleril Date: July 4th, 2007 03:20 am (UTC) (Link)
I confess to being one of those people who prefers the OT to the PT. But I was also born in the PT generation, and therefore do not have the excuse of nostalgia. ;) I just have a weakness for father/son stories and tales of redemption...

But I can understand that business about nostalgia. When I was little, I used to the think Quest for Camelot was a brilliant work of cinematic genius. >_<

Still, it must be said that your Sheriff has some excellent snarky lines. Almost makes me want to track down this show...
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 4th, 2007 01:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
There's nothing wrong with preferring the OT to the PT. It's the whole 'Lucas raped our childhood' rant that is a little ... disquieting. :p


I still think Quest for Camelot is cinematic genius! *g*


Still, it must be said that your Sheriff has some excellent snarky lines. Almost makes me want to track down this show...

Well like I said, don't have too high expectations. To counter-balance the Sherrif's excellent snark, you have Marion/Robin dialogue like this:

Marion: How can you be so sure [that the Sherrif's men won't find Robin in the forest]?
Robin: Because I know the forest, and they don't. [with grim confidence]
Marion: Even at night? [with big eyes of awe]
Robin: Even at night. [with grimmer confidence]


Puts Shakespeare to shame, I tell you. *g*
fialleril From: fialleril Date: July 5th, 2007 06:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's the whole 'Lucas raped our childhood' rant that is a little ... disquieting. :p
Ah... I see what you mean. That is a bit...over the top, perhaps. ;)

I still think Quest for Camelot is cinematic genius!
All right, I confess. I still love the musical numbers in that movie. Especially "I Stand Alone."

As for Robin and Marion, all I can say is, the dialogue being what it is, I think I'd have to root for the Sheriff. ;)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 6th, 2007 07:30 am (UTC) (Link)
As for Robin and Marion, all I can say is, the dialogue being what it is, I think I'd have to root for the Sheriff. ;)

LOL!

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