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Despite the fact that it hasn't been updated in almost 2 years, Thwarted Fate still gets reviews. Sure, they trickle in slowly - more like once every six months, but they do come, especially when it's picked up a new reader.

Which apparently it has.





Reviews For: Thwarted Fate, The Book of Descent, Volume II

Nefar
2008-02-18
ch 1, anon. abuseFirst sentence in, and already I can't stand this story. Here is your first sentence:

"Casualties of the Clone War had reached millions."

:Snorts:

Millions, eh? You must be the kind of lackwit that buys into the Travessite of 3 million clones making up the Grand Army of the Republic. It is truly shocking that people like you, and Karen Traviss, can exist. A short time ago, before I heard of this fallacy, I was young, naive, thinking everybody was reasonably intelligent - then my ideal worldview collapsed.

How can any person with a brainstem think that the 'GRAND Army of the Republic could be safeguarded by 3 million troops. And YOU! The clone wars had already taken a million lives! That's less than would die every second on Coruscant! THAT'S LESS THAN DIED DURING WORLD WAR II! Obviously a conflict spanning 'a galaxy far far away' would have less people killed than in a single war on a low-tech planet? Right? RIGHT?

I just don't get people like you, or Traviss, and your perversion of Star Wars, your tirade against the 'Talifans' who point out the huge, gaping holes in your logic, the relentless campaign you wage against reason and intelligent thought.

To all readers, beware: Don't read this. True, for a barely-evolved chimpanzee, the writing is good. But like with all writings from unintelligent chimpanzee, the *content* would be easily ridiculed by my ten-year-old sister.

I'll put up your first sentence again, so that all may see the utter trash that is the piece of your brain you used to call 'logic.'

"Casualties of the Clone Wars had reached millions."

I can see one escape route you might desperately cling to in your fevered mind, although it would probably require too much thinking to figure out. "But I said million_s_!" you exclaim feebily. "Aha!" says I, "but unless you're talking 9.9 million, the Republic proper wouldn't notice a thing. Relatively speaking population-wise, even 9.9 million would be like one person dying in China. Relevant? No.

:laughs again:

Ah, you Travessites. Wouldn't know logic if it hit you over the head with an encyclopedia.



Lack of brainstem. Barely evolved chimpanzee.

I don't get it. I just don't...


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indiefic From: indiefic Date: February 21st, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
god, sometimes I just loathe humanity.

indiefic From: indiefic Date: February 21st, 2008 09:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Also, the inherent respect for life implied in this piece of crap is staggering.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 21st, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
*sadface* Thanks dear. I wouldn't have minded (much) the rant about millions vs zillions or whatever, but it's all the nasty name calling that just hurts.
indiefic From: indiefic Date: February 22nd, 2008 03:15 am (UTC) (Link)
*hugs*

I definitely know what you mean. Unprovoked rants, especially by pissants who are too cowardly to even sign the damn thing, never fail to ruin my day.


(And you changed your journal! Pretty!)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 07:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I remember. And ff.net does bring out the crazies.

Glad you liked the new - now old - journal layout. I've changed it yet again!
r0ck3tsci3ntist From: r0ck3tsci3ntist Date: February 21st, 2008 09:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't want to laugh but LOLOLOLOLOL - this is obvious a very important subject to this person. So much so that they are willing to publicly froth at the mouth nearly give themselves a coronary. That or it's just a troll. ;)


lesbiassparrow From: lesbiassparrow Date: February 21st, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
I am afraid I couldn't stop laughing. Clearly where other people have religious wars to fight they instead are determined to fix....people's fictional casualty figures. Because it's serious business!

It's got to be a troll, surely?
kidananubix From: kidananubix Date: February 21st, 2008 10:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
I wish it was just a simple troll. Unfortunately, there's a good number of folks who take that whole Traviss/3 million clones fiasco way to seriously.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 21st, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
The funny thing is that I've never even read Karen T. Millions just seemed like a nice large number to me. I have no idea about the population of Coruscant or the GFFA...
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 21st, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
It is funny, I know. I guess it particularly hurts today because I've just had so much to deal with recently and this was just so unexpectedly mean.

*sigh* I'm sure in a few weeks' time, I'll be laughing about it. I won't take it down.
lesbiassparrow From: lesbiassparrow Date: February 22nd, 2008 03:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, it's always easier to say it's funny than to get a nutter comment like this. And profoundly dumb and profoundly mean are bad combinations to have to read through.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 21st, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Or may be a bit of both? Because I've cracked my brain trying to figure it out and I still don't see how this character found the story. It hasn't been updated since 2006. It must be on page 1000 on the list of SW stories at ff.net. And it's not like it was ever a popular story that cut across the Net.

*sadface* I just have a sneaking suspicion that this "review" was a personal attack against me by someone I know.
r0ck3tsci3ntist From: r0ck3tsci3ntist Date: February 21st, 2008 11:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
*sigh* I'm sorry, Dearie.

Ya know, from what I've seen, fandom is %95 utter wankery and %5 lovely people. I guess this kind of thing is bound to happen.
geo4real From: geo4real Date: February 21st, 2008 10:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hmmmm. What do you reckon? Age 15, maybe a retarded 16? Male. Probably American, where the low demands of the educational system leave way too much idle time. Possible social anxiety disorder. Clear obsessive tendencies. Does not play well with others. Will never, ever get laid. Will continue on this path until, by the age of 35, is still living in parents' basement with middle-aged spread, bad skin that never got better, and nothing to keep him warm but a megalomaniac fantasy life.

Alternatively, maybe he's already 35, and this is what he does for a living.

*hugs*
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 21st, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
I like that image a lot. Thank you, my friend. *hugs*
geo4real From: geo4real Date: February 22nd, 2008 12:12 am (UTC) (Link)
Stay strong. Illegitimi non carborundum.
r0ck3tsci3ntist From: r0ck3tsci3ntist Date: February 21st, 2008 11:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh that was brilliant! Can I steal it for the next time I need an awesome put-down?
geo4real From: geo4real Date: February 22nd, 2008 12:12 am (UTC) (Link)
LOL It's all yours!

veronica_rich From: veronica_rich Date: February 22nd, 2008 05:55 am (UTC) (Link)
Probably American, where the low demands of the educational system leave way too much idle time.

Hey, some of us actually read in our off-time. Or did the homework assigned, if all else failed. ;-)
From: bobill Date: February 22nd, 2008 04:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Lol! great image... (though I resent the 15-16 age thing!)

But in all seriousness (or a bit more seriousness, since there's nothing serious about that attack) a 355 word rant on one sentence? That's not even a legit flame, that's just boredom manifesting itself on the keyboard. I find people with low self-esteem like to throw in bits of esoteric facts to discount people's work every once in a while, but this is just asking for a return flame of the exact same style. Lack of brain stem? Come on. Since when do people use a brain stem to think? Brain stems convey impulses to the spine; without it, you couldn't breath or move. What loser doesn't know that? I think the word you're looking for is cerebrum. God. You're so stupid. I can't believe stupid people like you exist. etc.

Did that make you feel better?
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 06:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Brain stems convey impulses to the spine; without it, you couldn't breath or move. What loser doesn't know that? I think the word you're looking for is cerebrum. God. You're so stupid. I can't believe stupid people like you exist. etc.

LOL! You're brilliant. I have the bestest Friends. *hugs*

And yes, it did make me feel better! *hugs again*

Edited at 2008-02-22 07:31 pm (UTC)
fialleril From: fialleril Date: February 22nd, 2008 12:05 am (UTC) (Link)
*chokes on uncontrollable laughter and promptly falls over dead*

Oh. My. Sweet. Tea.

This is probably the funniest thing I have seen in...well, in a very long time. :D I think you just made my week.

Although, I would kinda like to meet this person and point out the holes in their logic. Especially this one, which, despite the overall humor of the situation, creeps me out majorly.

"Aha!" says I, "but unless you're talking 9.9 million, the Republic proper wouldn't notice a thing. Relatively speaking population-wise, even 9.9 million would be like one person dying in China. Relevant? No.

No. Just no. 9.9 million people is 9.9 million people, no matter how big the total population. It's deeply troubling to me that someone could imply that even one person's death would be irrelevant, but to posit a government that could be completely unconcerned by the deaths of 9.9 million?! My God! It's like Hitler/Bush 2008! That would make even Palpatine's Empire look like a blissful Utopia!

*takes slow, deep breath*

Okay, I'm done. The thought behind that bit really disturbs me, but the "review" as a whole is LOLarious. You should probably save it somewhere to look at again when you're having a depressing day. ;) I'm pretty sure it's the best example of crazy I have ever seen.
fialleril From: fialleril Date: February 22nd, 2008 12:15 am (UTC) (Link)
An addendum, because I just realized that sounded horribly inconsiderate. *shamed face*

Despite everything I said, I know how reviews can hurt, even when you know the person who wrote them is a complete dolt who lives in his mother's basement and talks to his action figures for fun. So yes. *hugs*

Oh, and here's something to cheer you up. (I hope! I took it as a major compliment, anyway.) Someone left this review on Anabasis:

Hello, Fialleril! Been a while.
Sadly, I was most disappointed in this addition to Anabasis. All the redeeming freshness of the previous chapters is gone; Vader's and Padme's relationship in this chapter taint the rest and don't even flow well with what you've written before as far as the characters go. It's actually very reminiscent of Le1a Naberr1e's "Kaleidescope" in the style and portrayl. It only remotely resembles your own usual work!
I'm sorry. You are always one of my favorite authors, but this was a definite comedown in description, content, and impact.


Said concerning the Pascha chapter. It had me rather upset at first, despite the fact that I took the comparison to you as a compliment, because I knew that she didn't mean it that way. But then I realized that she was really just upset because I had made Vader a genuinely evil person...

Heh. Anyway, don't listen to dolts like this. Clearly this one lacks even a basic grasp on reality, so what else could he/she/it possibly know?
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 01:01 am (UTC) (Link)
WTF?! What is wrong with Internet people these days? Have they always been this meanspiritedcrazyspiteful or is it a Turn of the Leap Year thing?

And no, dear, I wasn't offended/felt patronized in the least by your earlier comment. You are absolutely right. It was funny, expect when it was scary as you mentioned. Clearly, that reviewer was not the sharpest pencil in the box. It's just that well, I've always been overly sensitive to that particular brand of mean-spirited and at this certain point in my life, I'm very thin skinned. Then there's the sneaking suspicion that this "troll" could just be my dear friend the Chloe sock. Which sounds completely paranoid, I know.

*sigh* I think you should give Whatsherface a piece of your mind. Although I suspect that that name is not the troll's real identity. I went to the profile associated with that name and didn't find anything Star Wars. What a champ our trolls are, aren't they? Anonymous identity thieves.


And please don't give that asinine person a moment's further thought.
fialleril From: fialleril Date: February 22nd, 2008 01:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Have they always been this meanspiritedcrazyspiteful or is it a Turn of the Leap Year thing?

Sadly, I think it's the former. *sighs*

It's just that well, I've always been overly sensitive to that particular brand of mean-spirited and at this certain point in my life, I'm very thin skinned.

Oh, I can definitely understand that. And it's always easier to laugh at idiotic reviews when they're on someone else's fic - it's easier to appreciate the stupidity when it's not directed at you.

As for my reviewer, it actually bothered me for a while because that person has reviewed a lot of my other work and been appreciative. But I think I know her from another, older fandom site of mine, and I have a suspicion that she is one of those moralizing Christians, and that what really upset her about this chapter was that Vader and Padmé were not living exemplary moral lives after all. LOL. And at that point, I decided I was not going to be bothered by her comments any more. ;)

And please don't give that asinine person a moment's further thought.

I'll repeat this to you. :) 'Cause really, I think your troll is even more idiotic than mine.

Heh. What did we ever do to deserve such things? ;)
fialleril From: fialleril Date: February 22nd, 2008 01:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Just thought of something else concerning this:

Then there's the sneaking suspicion that this "troll" could just be my dear friend the Chloe sock. Which sounds completely paranoid, I know.

Perhaps not so paranoid. After all, said Chloe sock is an anti-Asian racist. Maybe that's why this person seems so pleased at the prospect of someone dying in China...

*gags*
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 10:47 am (UTC) (Link)
It would actually make a lot of sense. tobywolf13 has made some pretty unapologetic racist statements in the past. This is very much in line with his/her/its worldview.
emavalexis From: emavalexis Date: February 22nd, 2008 12:30 am (UTC) (Link)
WTF??? Look, you just can't reason with someone who not only arbitrarily rips into one fact which they essentialy pick out as the single, identifiable deal-breaker to their enjoyment of your piece (seriously: no mention of the writing or disagreement about character portrayal? -- at least give a semi-undertandable reason why you don't like a fic, ffs), but also someone who rationalises that, 'Relatively speaking population-wise, even 9.9 million would be like one person dying in China. Relevant? No.' Ugh, just... no.

This person comes across as a bitter misanthrope with nothing better to do than pick apart minutae with which they disagree in works of fiction, labors of love that mean something to their creators. You deserve better, and shouldn't give this guy another thought (unless it involves some kind of laughter).
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 01:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks dear. You're absolutely right of course. The best revenge is good living and all that. I guess it's just the perversion of human nature that I'd know all these things but still feel awful.

queen_meep From: queen_meep Date: February 22nd, 2008 04:02 am (UTC) (Link)
What an idiot... you could be talking about 999.9 million, because it takes 1,000 millions to make one billion... so he's kind of squished his own point...

♥ Don't listen to anonymous nimrods.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 10:42 am (UTC) (Link)
After all, "millions" doesn't translate to "less than a billion". People still say "twelve hundred" instead of "one thousand, two hundred" etc. It's all semantics. Which is what makes me suspect that this person had a personal axe to grind. *sigh*
frostbit_sky From: frostbit_sky Date: February 22nd, 2008 04:36 am (UTC) (Link)
I am torn between laughing and yelling at that reviewer.

It could easily be millions. GFFA is a huge place. Thousands of star systems, with populations in the billions, and 3 year war...
do the math.

And I resent that Traviss comment he/she made. Those Republic Commando books are good reads. :P

*sigh*
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 10:44 am (UTC) (Link)
I haven't read any of Traviss' works but I'm inclined to like her simply because this shining personality of a reviewer lumped her and me together.
frostbit_sky From: frostbit_sky Date: February 22nd, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
That's a good enough reason, lol.

Those books though are one of the best EU books out there and the best in the Clone Wars era. IMO.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 07:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Really? She focuses on the clone soldiers, right?
frostbit_sky From: frostbit_sky Date: February 22nd, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
The Clone Soldiers, their Mandolorian trainers, and a few non-canon Jedi.
veronica_rich From: veronica_rich Date: February 22nd, 2008 05:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Geez, I've wanted to leave some pissy remarks for bad Sparrabeth before, but my vitriol never climbed quite that high ...
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 10:46 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't touch Sparrabeth stories - or forums for that matter - with a 10 foot pole. Why should I? I don't need to read the stories to know it'll be filled with Will-demonizing, Elizabeth-mischaracterization or Jack canonization. I don't understand people who go out of their way to read what they already know they'll dislike then get all offended when they see what they're expecting.
veronica_rich From: veronica_rich Date: February 22nd, 2008 01:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Not all J/E stories are bad; some are quite good. Compared to past efforts, a relatively low percentage portray Will badly - it's just that the ones that do stick out like sore thumbs. (And not every story that does so comes with the warning that it will up front.)

My point, however - and I did have one - was that I've wanted to leave some itchy/scratchy-type comments on some stories, to the writers, even though I haven't. But not with that level of blatant contempt and hatred for the writer themselves.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 02:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I get your point. What I don't get is why you would want to be in a situation that you - or anyone for that matter - would face that kind of temptation. The good thing about fanfiction is that most of the stories are clearly labelled shipping-wise for the simple reason that the Sparrabeth writer looking for feedback knows she'll get good ones from Sparrabeth readers.


The way I see it, the odds of finding a non-Will-bashing, non-Elizabeth-distorting, non-Jack-worshipping plot in a Sparrabeth story is 1:10 and even then, I still will not like it. So why take the chance? I sure don't have enough time to read all the good Willabeth stories (to say nothing of stories from my other fandoms) that are out there. Why should you bother yourself with stories that you know are more likely than not to make your blood boil?
veronica_rich From: veronica_rich Date: February 22nd, 2008 02:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I like to vary my repertoire. I'll read anything within reason (as in, not bestiality or underage, and a few other little niches) if it's a good story well-told.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 04:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Then you shouldn't complain when (not if) you come across a story you don't approve of, if you're not going to be discriminating about what you read. And you certainly have no right to leave nasty reviews to the writers of said stories. They never pretended to be anything other than Sparrabethers, or whatever.

veronica_rich From: veronica_rich Date: February 22nd, 2008 05:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
And you certainly have no right to leave nasty reviews to the writers of said stories.

Hmm ... I don't think I ever said I did; I said there were a few times I wanted to, and when I got far enough into a story to realize it wasn't going to be as good as I'd hoped. I haven't left a nasty fic review in 16 years of fandom; the worst I've left is concrit for spelling or grammatical usage, or a plot point that I thought needed to be fleshed out more.

Once again, my original point is that as unkind as I have felt toward a writer that led me partway down a garden path and then jilted me, I've never entertained the desire to cut them down personally as a human being, as this reviewer did.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 07:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't mean you as in you, Veronica. I mean you, as the generic person who does that kind of thing. I still don't see the point of going out of your way to find stories that are more likely to upset you than not. I can't understand why my troll friend shouldn't have just clicked off at the first sight of the offensive "millions", regardless of how unkind she felt towards me.
reihla From: reihla Date: February 22nd, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Mind-boggling, isn't it, how miserable someone must be to even bother leaving a comment on a story they really dislike. Much less one as... well... obsessed as this one seems to be... I mean, I barely have time to leave comments on stories I really love. :) Your LJ readers have it right, and I have to think there is at least an element of what you think might be going on - that it is a pointed attack from someone who knows you.
reihla From: reihla Date: February 22nd, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oops... or maybe someone who knows me...
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: February 22nd, 2008 07:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's totally ridiculous and would be laughable if it wasn't so hurtful. *sigh* I guess it could be either of us this troll person is targetting. But you keep such a low profile all the time. To the best of my knowledge, you've managed not to step on any fan clique's toes. Unless you're hiding something from me... :p
reihla From: reihla Date: February 25th, 2008 08:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Nope. I'm an open book. A very small boring book. In the fandom world online that is.... I've had my share of anonymous harassment in another club I belong to, but nobody there is even aware of or interested in my other life. :)

OK, so now I'm sure its you who is being stalked. :P
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