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You'll probably see this on "jedi_news soon.

deaka talks about LotF and Women in Star Wars. It reminded me a lot about a Wiki article about the portrayal of female characters in comic books: Women in Refrigerator Syndrome.

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frostbit_sky From: frostbit_sky Date: April 22nd, 2008 02:41 am (UTC) (Link)
I haven't even gotten that far into the EU yet am still upset Mara was killed.
What is up with the lack of strong heroines? :(
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 22nd, 2008 07:40 am (UTC) (Link)
What is up with the lack of strong heroines? :(

And the sad part of it is that 1/3rd of the series is written by a woman, Karen Traviss - and it was her idea that Mara is killed off.

When you look at the thread in fanfiction, it's not that surprising, is it? Most fanfic writers focus on the male characters.
frostbit_sky From: frostbit_sky Date: April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Karen Traviss - and it was her idea that Mara is killed off.

She should just stick to the Mando's and have left Mara alone.

When you look at the thread in fanfiction, it's not that surprising, is it? Most fanfic writers focus on the male characters.

Yea.... they do.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 23rd, 2008 07:44 am (UTC) (Link)
She should just stick to the Mando's and have left Mara alone.

LOL! Word.

Yea.... they do.

*sigh* I still don't get that. Do you know what I want to do one day? Write a story where there's a real kick-ass but feminine heroine as the major character/protagonist.
frostbit_sky From: frostbit_sky Date: April 24th, 2008 01:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Do you know what I want to do one day? Write a story where there's a real kick-ass but feminine heroine as the major character/protagonist.

That story is so calling out to be written :)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 24th, 2008 06:59 am (UTC) (Link)
That story is so calling out to be written :)

Someday!
lazypadawan From: lazypadawan Date: April 22nd, 2008 05:10 am (UTC) (Link)
As a criticism of the EU, I thought there were a lot of good points.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 22nd, 2008 07:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Indeed and I'm not really a Mara fan. I also liked the point deaka made of Leia being sidelined. There's always a trend in most comic book/fantasy stories of having only one female protagonist who's more often than not a love interest to one of several male protagonists. My mind goes to Ginny Weasley of the Harry Potter books who was sidelined for 4 stories, including the one in which she played a major role, was literally re-invented in the 5th book and yet managed to be still sidelined, then was brought into the fore front in Book 6 in which the other female character was demonized and sidelined, and then went back to being side-lined in Book 7. And the fact that the book series was written by a woman is even more galling.
fialleril From: fialleril Date: April 24th, 2008 02:19 am (UTC) (Link)
LOL another reason to disregard/hate the EU. ;) But thanks for the link! I'm so ridiculously glad people are discussing these things. :)

And also: Woman-in-the-freezer (or fridge) syndrome! Glad I'm not the only one who's heard of this.

This post calls for a Beru icon.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 24th, 2008 06:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I found it in a roundabout way when I was playing one of my ‘If I Had Made This Movie, What Would I Have Done Differently’ games for Spider Man 3. It was both vindicating and a little sad that this was not a new phenomenon.

This post calls for a Beru icon.

I can't agree more.
fialleril From: fialleril Date: April 26th, 2008 09:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I think the woman-in-the-freezer thing is an official plot device name. They even talk about it in books on fiction writing and such like. And you can apply it retroactively, too. Sadly, it's one of the oldest plot devices in the world. *sighs*

Occasionally you will get a father-in-the-freezer type of story, but those are less common. (Interestingly, SW OT is one of those, though. At least until Luke finds out his father isn't really in the freezer at all. >_<)

<3 Beru.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 28th, 2008 06:17 am (UTC) (Link)
SW OT also uses some version of Woman in the Freezer as Luke shows no curiosity or fascination for his mother until the very end.

I remember my first reaction (oh, so many years ago) to his ‘You knew my father?’ was ‘Honey, it takes two!’
fialleril From: fialleril Date: April 29th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
You know, until the PT came out, I had always assumed that Luke was less curious about her because he already knew something about her. But I guess it is really just the traditional mythology trope of young man seeking self-identity through the quest for a father...

‘You knew my father?’ was ‘Honey, it takes two!’

LOL! So true!

I (perhaps somewhat naively) always assumed that Luke knew something about his mother - that he knew her name and home planet and some stories about her earlier life, and he knew how she'd died, and perhaps a few endearing stories about her that his aunt liked to tell. But his father was a complete mystery, because the Lars' lived under the unspoken idea that Luke's father was "he who must not be named". So Luke was always more curious about him, because he was the complete unknown, whereas, even though he didn't remember his mother, he at least had Aunt Beru's stories about her.

Perhaps this is one of the things I found disappointing about the PT. It actually served to put Luke and Leia's mother more firmly in the freezer than I had ever imagined her being... (But maybe that is just me?)
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: April 30th, 2008 06:21 am (UTC) (Link)
You know, until the PT came out, I had always assumed that Luke was less curious about her because he already knew something about her.

Huh. It struck me as the opposite right from the start. He never mentioned his mother not even in passing and his questions of Leia sort of confirmed it.


But I guess it is really just the traditional mythology trope of young man seeking self-identity through the quest for a father...
I know it is, but it still sucks. :P

Perhaps this is one of the things I found disappointing about the PT. It actually served to put Luke and Leia's mother more firmly in the freezer than I had ever imagined her being... (But maybe that is just me?)

Well, I think the PT was already handicapped since the OT had established that she was already wiped out of existence. But the PT still did a good enough job of making Padme someone of importance, who was a protagonist to a lot of the major changes in the galaxy. They could so easily have made Anakin have an affair with a female Jedi sidekick or even some random damsel in distress, but the way the A/P romance is structured, Padme is actually the older, more sophisticated half of the pairing.

fialleril From: fialleril Date: May 2nd, 2008 11:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Of course, normally in the mythological trope the young man's quest is for his mysterious unknown father precisely because he already knows who his mother is (even if he hasn't been raised by her). Perhaps this is why I just assumed that Luke knew something about his mother, at least second hand?

But the PT still did a good enough job of making Padme someone of importance, who was a protagonist to a lot of the major changes in the galaxy.

I'll definitely give you that, and most of the rest of what you said. ;) Except the possibility of Anakin having an affair with a female Jedi. I mean, this is George Lucas' Star Wars, so you always knew that Luke and Leia's parents would have been married. ;) George is just...kind of like that?

But yes, I think my absolute favorite thing about the introduction in TPM of the girl you knew would become Luke and Leia's mother was that she was older than Anakin. I don't think I can even describe how much I love that. :)
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