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			Amazons of the Xena and Salt variety and 2 POLLs! - moonspinner




			08:55 am August 13th, 2010

moonspinner


	Amazons of the Xena and Salt variety and 2 POLLs!
	Thanks to everyone who responded to the Honesty Meme. Most of what I read moved me to tears but in a very good way. I don't know why the kindness blindsided me. I love you all. *MASSIVE GROUP HUG* I just finished Xena S1!!! It has been too long since I enjoyed something so much that I am relishing the anticipation of continuing it. I'm so scared - of finishing the series (no more Xena! sob!) or of being disappointed in the next seasons - that I just want to bask in the perfection that was Season 1. In the meanwhile, where are the Amazon icons? Terreis (oh stars, she was too sweet to live, I know but what an adorable three-minute bad-ass!), Ephiny, Gabrielle, Melosa? Where are the Phantes/Ephiny icons? (They got married! They had an adorable baby centaur together!) Poll #1605217 Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All. Participants: 1 Phantes/Ephiny - saw it coming? View Answers Right from their conversation in "Hooves & Harlots". 1(100.0%) The moment we saw a pregnant Ephiny at the start of "Is There A Doctor in the House". 0(0.0%) When Ephiny told the General that she wanted to have the baby in Athens. 0(0.0%) Before all of the above. 0(0.0%) After all of the above. 0(0.0%) I never saw it coming. 0(0.0%) I still don't see it. a.k.a. It was a total OOC/WTF for me. 0(0.0%) Ephiny hooked up with Phantes!?! 0(0.0%) Watched Salt yesterday. Bad-ass. Angelina Jolie never fails to deliver in an action role and this was more than fair compensation for a third Tomb Raider movie. I loved the ending and what it promised. Where's the franchise already? As for the next best thing in the movie - Chiwetel Ejiofor - please someone make this man the next James Bond already. Poll #1605218 Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All. Participants: 2 Chiwetel Ejiofor for the next James Bond. View Answers Yes. 2(100.0%) No. 0(0.0%) So, flist, have you watched SALT yet? What did you think? Who wants to talk about Xena. Go ahead and spam me! :D Tags: poll, review: movie, tv: xena Current Mood: geeky

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			Thread started by sunlit_music

	From: sunlit_music	Date: August 13th, 2010 11:08 am (UTC)		(Link)

I'm so glad your results for the Honesty Meme were real touching and worthwhile! :)

I love Xena. I especially loved it when I was a teenager! It was fantastic seeing a female heroine who kicked arse and was flawed, but strove to be a better person.

Oh, and Chiwetel Ejiofor was born to play James Bond. Just so you know. ;)

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	From: moonspinner	Date: August 13th, 2010 01:57 pm (UTC)		(Link)

They were. *special hugs*

I think every little girl needs to grow up on Xena. Where ever did the idea that female protagonists do not sell shows come from?

Chiwetel Ejiofor was born to play James Bond. Just so you know. ;)

Hi Fives.

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			Thread started by Atanone

	From: atanone	Date: August 14th, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)		(Link)

*hugs*
I haven't respond,cause I think I still discover things about you and I really like it,so i hope you don't mind I haven't express my views,cause they're not too complete yet..but I like to know you better and learn about who you are :)

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	From: moonspinner	Date: August 16th, 2010 06:35 am (UTC)		(Link)

:) That makes sense. Of course, you can always tell me what you think of me right now so I can have something to compare it to. :D

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	From: atanone	Date: August 16th, 2010 08:43 am (UTC)		(Link)

yes,I like it that way too :)

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			Thread started by Athena Andreadis, aka Helivoy

	From: helivoy	Date: November 10th, 2010 06:50 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Foremother Xena

Xena was a groundbreaking concept and series; though it's uneven, it tackles an astonishing range of topics and never ceases to please and amaze. It made heroes like Buffy possible (and I use the male form consciously). I have the entire series on DVD and go back to specific episodes semi-regularly. I agree that it speaks sadly of today's world that it would never appear on today's TV.

Here's an article that summarizes its impact: What We Owe Xena

Athena aka Helivoy

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	From: moonspinner	Date: November 13th, 2010 12:35 pm (UTC)		(Link)
	Re: Foremother Xena

Thanks so much for linking that essay. What a great and fascinating read. I actually stopped watching somewhere in mid-season 4 because of real life obligations catching up on me... But I will get back to the show during my holiday break next month and I'm really looking forward to it.

I agree that it speaks sadly of today's world that it would never appear on today's TV.

I want to be hopeful... but sadly, I think you are right.

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			Thread started by redbrunja

	From: redbrunja	Date: February 23rd, 2011 05:21 am (UTC)		(Link)

I LOVED Salt Jolie was fabulous and I adored how twisty it was. I wasn't entirely sure which side Salt was one until the two-thirds point. My only complaint is that I am SO SICK of the love interests in spy stories dying for angst. Alias, EVERYONE IN NIKITA, Salt... I'm super-tired of that trope.

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	From: moonspinner	Date: February 23rd, 2011 09:15 am (UTC)		(Link)

Love interests of spies dying is totally an occupational hazard. It's right in there in the contract. :P

Another Salt fan! Yes! Franchise please?

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	From: redbrunja	Date: February 25th, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I would LOVE a Salt franchise. And did you hear that the part was originally written for a man? And then Jolie got interested.

Love interests of spies dying is totally an occupational hazard. It's right in there in the contract. :P

I get that dating a deadly operative is dangerous but seriously, writers? Killing off the starting love interest is just SO DONE at this point.

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	From: moonspinner	Date: February 26th, 2011 10:33 am (UTC)		(Link)

I heard that it was originally written for Tom Cruise!

I know. But it looks like audiences aren't ready for happy spycouples. See what happened to Undercovers (RIP). Although you could argue that they don't have to be 'spy' couples, a spy in a functioning couple where the other person does non-spy stuff can also be cool. And if they can finagle it minus the deceit and double life, it will be very cool. I *think* that's what happens in MI:3.

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	From: redbrunja	Date: February 26th, 2011 11:00 am (UTC)		(Link)

I heard that it was originally written for Tom Cruise!

Ha ha ha ha ha! Oh, man, that's hilarious.

And if they can finagle it minus the deceit and double life, it will be very cool. I *think* that's what happens in MI:3.

It is. Although I really missed the awesome thief love interest from MI:2.

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	From: moonspinner	Date: February 26th, 2011 12:30 pm (UTC)		(Link)

I loved the Love Interest from MI2 and I can't believe she was shafted in the third movie. Sure, it was a ~~rip off~~ homage to Hitchock's film, but I though the twisted pseudo triangle storyline was very well done. Plus, having Ethan Hawke fall in love with a different 'soul mate' every movie... just makes his falling in love cheap for the audience.

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	From: redbrunja	Date: February 28th, 2011 11:30 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Plus, having Ethan Hawke fall in love with a different 'soul mate' every movie... just makes his falling in love cheap for the audience.

Agreed. That's why so many of the Bond movies don't work for me; the emotional arc always feels cheap, given that I know Bond is going to find two new girls in the next movie.

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	From: moonspinner	Date: March 1st, 2011 11:53 am (UTC)		(Link)

Brosnan-and-beyond Bond has really toned things down where his women dealings are concerned: the film takes time to make him develop an affectionate if not deeply-in-love relationship with his co-spies (Electra King, Michelle Yeoh, Halle Berry's characters) or hint at a closer past relationship (Terri Hatchet) but... it's still The Girl of the Week show. Even Vespa that was supposed to be his true love had to contend with him wining and dining another woman in the same film.

I wonder... is JJ directing the new MI4? He'd probably keep Ethan Hawke's wife from the third movie then.

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	From: redbrunja	Date: March 4th, 2011 07:12 am (UTC)		(Link)

Brosnan-and-beyond Bond has really toned things down where his women dealings are concerned: the film takes time to make him develop an affectionate if not deeply-in-love relationship with his co-spie

True. I remember having to turn off one of the older Bond when he used one "love interests" religious beliefs to trick her into having sex with him, and I was like, 'that is rape" and turned off the tv.

I wonder... is JJ directing the new MI4? He'd probably keep Ethan Hawke's wife from the third movie then.

I don't know; I hadn't even heard that they were making a fourth movie.

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	From: moonspinner	Date: March 4th, 2011 09:59 am (UTC)		(Link)

I remember her: Solitaire. OMG, that made me so mad! I never even watched the film, the relevant clips were highlighted in one of the documentaries in the Casino Royale DVD. It was a Virgin Power thing and Bond tricked her into sleeping with him and took her power and there was so much wrong in all that on so many levels that I just... UGH! It makes me angry just remembering.

I think it was announced last year... the 4th movie. (Checks Wiki.) Well, if Wiki is to be believed then it's coming out in December, JJ is writing/producing and ... no Mrs. Ethan Hawke in sight. Of course, she could be somewhere in Offscreenville during the movie, doing whatever it was that Mama Jim Kirke was doing during the Star Trek movie...

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	From: redbrunja	Date: March 10th, 2011 06:55 pm (UTC)		(Link)

It was a Virgin Power thing and Bond tricked her into sleeping with him and took her power and there was so much wrong in all that on so many levels that I just... UGH! It makes me angry just remembering.

Yeah, it's like, even in the seventies HOW WAS THIS A GOOD IDEA?

I also hate the Virgin Power trope like burning, just in general. The only time that I haven't was in one of the Mummy movies where there is a prophet who can't sleep with anyone (and you notice how these characters are always female? BECAUSE I DO) and has sex with the hero (clearly her choice) and later the hero's like 'I thought you couldn't foresee anymore?' and she's like, 'lolz, no, our family just put that rumor around so we wouldn't get raped.'

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	From: moonspinner	Date: March 11th, 2011 11:35 am (UTC)		(Link)

Gosh, it was really hard to understand that Bond was supposed to be the good guy in those old movies, wasn't it? Especially when in this one, the girl (Solitaire, if I remember correctly because of her card-clairvoyance) didn't even look happy post-coitus. I mean, I don't think it would have made Bond look any better if he had rocked her world, but at least, she won't have been cheated in even that!

I don't mind the trope when it's used well - admittedly rarely. But I'm very fond of it when the virgin in question is male. I remember that film, Scorpion King, and it's totally cheestastic but Kelly Hu's character is one of the main reasons why I always find it re-watching it so enjoyable. I've taken her line as a deconstruction of all the virgin power tropes in every story! "There are no Virgin Powers, silly. It's a myth, propaganda even that magically gifted slaves perpetuate to survive. ;)"

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