From: moonspinner	Date: December 10th, 2007 03:19 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Silly girl! :P

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 11th, 2007 02:53 pm (UTC)		(Link)

*hugs back* Thanks!

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 11th, 2007 02:53 pm (UTC)		(Link)

It is cool, isn't it?

	From: frostbit_sky	Date: December 12th, 2007 04:09 am (UTC)		(Link)

It is :D I played along too.

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 11th, 2007 02:54 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Thank goodness you don't have to do it manually, that would be a pain. :o

WORD!

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 11th, 2007 02:54 pm (UTC)		(Link)

:D

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 19th, 2007 02:44 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Just a really cool meme. Hi girl! How've you been doing?

	From: hollywood_r_bin	Date: December 19th, 2007 07:39 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Oh alright. I'm trying to make a clana wallpaper for the k-site graphics festival but i keep getting distracted. Right now by a chlarker, she's new to the site and so doesn't have the same "don't engage Daddylion (my screen name on that site)" policy that my chlarker friends who knows me and my opinion have that I have for with them in return, which is basically i will only briefly discuss my dislike for chlark and such and they don't completely tear lana apart to my face. So the old debates are starting all over again. Usually it takes a while on a site before a person realise the pointlessness of a debate with someone with the exact opposite opinion from you on the site.

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 21st, 2007 06:45 am (UTC)		(Link)

Right now by a chlarker, she's new to the site and so doesn't have the same "don't engage Daddylion (my screen name on that site)" policy that my chlarker friends who knows me and my opinion have that I have for with them in return

*rolls eyes* Great. One more Chloe Sue fanatic would hardly make a difference. I trust you'll be able to handle her. ;)

I saw the clana wallpaper on Smallville community. It was so beautiful! :D

	From: hollywood_r_bin	Date: December 21st, 2007 07:14 am (UTC)		(Link)

Thanks :) It's too bad though cause to me with SV I always try to keep an open mind, even if i don't like Clark I'm still not so against him that i wouldn't notice how great he was in a certain scene, that attitude was how i came to love Lana in the first place cause I started off as a chloe loving lana hater too but I always try to keep my mind open about everyone, I mean like i said, I hated Grant, now I like him, and even when i didn't like clana at all I still love it in episodes like Pilot and Nicodemus and Craving. I'm just saying, some people seem so stuck on their love and their hatred that they're more fanatic than anything else and not willing to give any other characters a chance. I know some people who are willing to give Lana a chance though which is cool.

Oh and god i hate people who hates characters for getting in the way of their ship.

And thanks, i spend a lot of time on the wall :)

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 21st, 2007 07:25 am (UTC)		(Link)

It's too bad though cause to me with SV I always try to keep an open mind

That is so wise. In my own defence, I didn't start out disliking Chloe. I actually thought she was cool. But after some seasons, I changed my mind.

Oh and god i hate people who hates characters for getting in the way of their ship.

Word. If the Lana bashers are true to themselves, that's 95% of the reason why they hate her.

	From: hollywood_r_bin	Date: December 21st, 2007 03:21 pm (UTC)		(Link)

Yeah, I hate how Chloe's changed over the years and I feel like so many fans are unanimously saying she's more mature now and to me it doesn't seem like that, just seems like she's gone soft. I don't hate her just seems like she used to have this power about her, an energy, and it's just gone and i hate that. I want the fiesty girl back, I want the fire in her eyes. The old Chloe would have never just let Grant say stuff like that to her, she would have taken what he said, and write stories after stories after stories and fight hard to prove her passion for journalism to him, and she would do it at the same time as dealing with Clark and his issues because Clark might have been important but he's not her whole life.

And i wasn't talking about just Lana bashers, but Lois bashers too, people who bash everyone that Clark likes or could like that isn't Chloe.

	From: moonspinner	Date: December 21st, 2007 03:27 pm (UTC)		(Link)

The old Chloe was cool. She wasn't perfect. She was flawed and obssessive but she rocked. The worst thing about new, passive!asexual!Chloe is that I get the horrible feeling that she's supposed to be an improvement. Maturity, my foot. Her fans don't know it but it's the Chloe of post-S3 that's the pod person.

And i wasn't talking about just Lana bashers, but Lois bashers too, people who bash everyone that Clark likes or could like that isn't Chloe.

Yeah, that too. My mind automatically switches to Lana but it's the same for Lois. For years, Chlark fans were saying that they wanted Clark to end up with Chloe because she was more his type i.e. journalistic chick like Lois Lane. Then the real Lois Lane came on the show. Then they all turned around hating her. *le sigh*

	From: hollywood_r_bin	Date: December 22nd, 2007 11:27 am (UTC)		(Link)

Exactly! She's passive and asexual and a little bit stepfordly nice which i really can't stand because old Chloe wasn't any of those things, she was very much the opposite of that which was why I was so in love with her. I wouldn't even care if she stabbed Clark in the back 50 times, i would have still be into her. What really scares me is that so many SV fans seem to unamimously agree that it's "maturity" and hence an improvement, I mean what does that say about people's idea of "maturity"? Or of women. And it's not just Chloe fans!! If it was Chloe fans I would have just blame it on the bias and it wouldn't bother me so much but it's also cloisers and clanaists and caliciaists and all sorts of other fans too who thinks she's more mature now and like her just cause she's nicer.

Thankfully I know a few Chloe fans who actually agree with me on the "maturity" point and they really want the old Chloe back too, like my friend Schatzi who's a close friend of mine on k-site, he's a chloe fan and a chlarker but he's not delirious about it, he's actually stopped watching the show now. There's actually a lot of really awesome chloe fans and chlarkers online, it's just that they get over shadowed by the louder and less reasonable ones. The same thing happens with clana that I've seen, kryptonsite has had some episodes of really nasty clana fans who behaves very immaturely and goes around bashing every other ship and characters. Problem was they're out numbered by the more fanatic chlarkers and so that group of clanaists left the site after a while, leaving other, nicer and more reasonable clanaists to look bad for them. To this day my friend Halley still feels a bit of the nagativity over clanaists due to being attacked verbally by that group, as unfair as that sounds to clanaists, she was new to the site when it happenned and first impressions go a long way if you don't know anyone else to make you think otherwise. With me the first group i felt cornered and attacked people were chlarkers and back then i was almost one of them and i felt horrible for the other shippers. I ended up defending Lana, hand and teeth, just out of sympathy for her fans even though back then it was nearing the end of season 3 and i still hated Lana (I only started liking Lana in s4).

And i know what you mean, and OMG! don't you just hate the chlois theory? I thought it was just an interesting twist at first when i heard about it initially, but now i really hate it, a part of it's mostly cause it's to do with wanting Chloe to end up with Clark more than anything else that I've seen. I actually made a chlois theory wallpaper but one which has Chloe as Lois Lane married to Lana instead, just kind of to say, i wouldn't mind it so much if the whole point of the theory wasn't chlark. Though i have to say, the old Chloe's a lot more Lois Land like and this Chloe is nothing like her at all.

I also came up with a separate theory on my own, this was a very long time ago. It was like the chlois theory but it's actually about Chloe becoming Lana instead of Lois and it's more s3 based, Lionel black listed Chloe so Chloe ended up chosing a different identity and went with the name of Lana Lang because Lana was the one Clark had always wanted and she kind of wanted to be Lana because of that, in this scenario Lana would have been out of the picture, and ofcourse Pete was in love with Chloe so if Chloe was with Pete and Chloe was Lana then there'd be the comic's Lana/Pete, and Chloe was pining after Clark before and was the best friend who was a journalist trying to find Clark's secret in Smallville so she was very much like Lana of the comics from what I've heard and she ends up knowing Clark's secret.

I never had the intention of getting rid of Lana, the idea was more of a stray thought than anything else but i always saw it as making more sense than the chlois theory if only cause of the secret thing and Lois was never always so deeply infactuated with Clark until much later. Ofcourse the idea never got the attention of people other than my friend Triple L who's a Lois fan who thought the idea made a lot of sense. Like i said, i think chlois is more to do with chlark.